@ayachan @cercerilla @Wolf480pl @thindol I know what is to miss out and not be part of group. I actually like it.

@starbreaker @thindol @Wolf480pl @cercerilla In that case, consider the fact that the majority of people don't like that and would feel completely isolated and depressed beyond belief.

This isn't an issue of introversion and extroversion, either. Consider the fact that you communicate a great deal with people here and enjoy the community here. You're still a social creature; the only difference is that you found the right community.

@ayachan @starbreaker @thindol @cercerilla I am a social creature, but I tend to prefer smaller communities than most people prefer.

@Wolf480pl @starbreaker @thindol @cercerilla That's fine. Nowhere in any of what I said did I presume what you are. I spoke of broad concerns I had about the binary I vs E argument.

@ayachan @starbreaker @thindol @cercerilla it's always a real number (or floating point), the binary just tells us if it's above or below average. Most tests say sth like "37% introvert" not simply "introvert"

@Wolf480pl @starbreaker @thindol @cercerilla Those numbers still imply nuance and the nuance is what matters the most. My point here is that there is no such thing as a person who needs absolutely nobody.

I would like to know why you're arguing with me over something we agree about: everyone socialises differently. Nowhere in any of what I said did I ever state--much less imply--that everyone socialises the same way. I would appreciate it if you stopped putting words in my mouth.

@ayachan @starbreaker @thindol @cercerilla
Sorry, I initally misunderstood your point.
OTOH, I still think introvert vs extrovert is the only tool I have for understading how people are social differenrly.
I feel endangered because you said my tool is bad.
Imagine if I had a defect of vision, and had to wear glasses. Then you say my glasses are bad because they distort reality. But for me, they are the only way to actually see anything.

@ayachan @cercerilla @Wolf480pl @thindol I've found the right community for now. I'll stay as long as it suits me to do so, and as long as I remain welcome.

I'm not that tightly attached. I grew up without friends or social acceptance, and I learned not to depend on either.

@starbreaker @thindol @Wolf480pl @cercerilla Then that is how you interact. Everyone interacts differently.

@ayachan @cercerilla @Wolf480pl @thindol Admittedly, part of my stance is performative toxic masculinity.

Rather than trying to dominate others, I try to show that I cannot be dominated, and that even the threat of ostracism holds little power over me.

@starbreaker @cercerilla @Wolf480pl @thindol If you recognise being judgemental as a character flaw, then you should spend some real effort on trying to improve that. I will say right now that being judgemental is one of the easiest ways to become blind to one's own privilege.

@cercerilla @ayachan @Wolf480pl @thindol This deserves a reply, but I had left your toot untouched for so long because I didn't have anything constructive to say.

@starbreaker @Wolf480pl @ayachan @cercerilla The point I'm hoping to make is that I 100% agree that Megacorporation Platforms Which Dominate Everything (Steam, FB, Google, etc) suck... they unfortunately also make up the fabric of our modern existence.

Perhaps a more productive branch is discussing how to mitigate the negatives of these platforms in ways that work for different people. Leaving worked for you, but doesn't for others - so how do we help? How do we subvert the systems?

@thindol @starbreaker @ayachan @cercerilla the systems profit from your personal data, so the most obvious way to kill them would be to keep your personal data away from them. For a moment I thought about end-to-end encryption, but that's no good - they care about the metadata more than they care about data.
OTOH they had sth about estimating whether a post is positive or negative, so...
maybe "don't use emoji or quick responses" and "use end-to-end encryption would be good first steps.

@cercerilla @ayachan @starbreaker @thindol Another idea would be to build third-party facebook clients (as in, apps for using facebook) and then doing some client-side filtering of what you get from facebook. Then add some algorithm that likes and posts random things, but filters them out client side. This should make the facebook servers confused. Not sure how their staff will react to it tho.

@thindol @starbreaker @ayachan @cercerilla actually, we could pull out all those mixnet, remailer, onion routing, etc. research and see how it can be applied on top of facebook.

@cercerilla @ayachan @starbreaker @thindol The problem is, once you get your friends to use some custom end-to-end encrypyion app, you could as well have convinced them to use mastodon/diaspora/email besides facebook.

@thindol @starbreaker @ayachan @cercerilla So the problem is: how do you protect yourself without cooperation from the person on the other end of conversation.
Creating fake interactions would probably work, but only if facebook has no way to tell them apart.

@cercerilla @ayachan @starbreaker @thindol But any such strategy should be coupled with a strategy that progressively pulls your friends out of facebook. This could be done by eg. checking fb only once a day, but having notifications on other communication methods. This way people would have incentives to use those other communication methods because you'd reply faster.

@Wolf480pl @cercerilla @ayachan @starbreaker My main strategy so far is: check only once a day, post nothing personal, use Social Fixer + heavy blocking, max out privacy/advertisement/app blocking settings, never like/emoji only comments if necessary, no personal photos/images on the platform, anything deeper than "hi good seeing you" goes to text messages, and encourage friends to hang out here.

Scary bit: They own data even for people who've never used the service.