@sim @stephanmaus @stephanmaus @CobaltVelvet @nepfag I haven't followed the thread, but IMO instances have the right to block if they want to, as long as they're open about it, their reasons/CoC/….
@nepfag @CobaltVelvet @stephanmaus @sim @href Why block if you can silence ?
@stephanmaus @sim @stephanmaus @CobaltVelvet @nepfag They have different opinions. It's their right.
@nepfag @CobaltVelvet @stephanmaus @sim @href Of course. And I can only see all their arguments here on your instance. Because on octodon, some of them are blocked. Thanks for that! That's why I migrated. To be able to see different opinions.
@nepfag @CobaltVelvet @stephanmaus @sim @href @stephanmaus I didn't know about this. I will consider opening another account then. I still like octodon very much and would like to keep my main account here
@saturno @stephanmaus @href @sim @CobaltVelvet @nepfag Octodon has a very interesting local feed. But you can't follow everybody, because some instances are blocked. And you have interesting people on these instances. @CobalVelvet has no problem with blocking. That'sa pity.
@stephanmaus @href @saturno I've seen too many hateful morons and open nazis there to do that. Feel free to make a second account there, I won't judge, I'll let you compare the atmospheres and think for yourself.
Maybe the interesting people I can't seem to find should think about their instance choices too. (or is loli porn the interesting thing? sorry, that's considered illegal in most of the world, can't have that here)
Most people here like it that way.
@CobaltVelvet @saturno @href It's not about loli. It's about people like @rw He is on an instance that you've blocked.
It's not walls which will protect us from ideologies. Its our brain. If we don't train it, ideologies will win. You can't train a brain in a Walled Garden.
Why block an instance? You can protect your user by silencing instances. So, the "bad guys" won't appear in the federated timeline. But everybody could follow them. Give the power to your users!
@CobaltVelvet @saturno @href Euh, I see. So you've silenced/blocked @stephanmaus , right?
@stephanmaus @stephanmaus @href @saturno Did you give me a reason to?
If you're telling me you're likely to agree with and retoot hateful stuff then sure I'll do it.
Right now I still trust you to keep it all clean since you don't look to me like a basic idiot who's just here to complain about rules.
Just like I'm not hunting anyone with an account on an "enemy instance", that's enough isolation for me.
@saturno @href @stephanmaus @stephanmaus As I said, the goal is just to keep hateful stuff out in the most efficient way possible. Instance blocks are very efficient.
It's a safety thing, you assess risks and make general rules that are strict because they save people that way. Risks are possible, but opt-in. You can get over that isolation pretty easily, but there's no point in asking it to be removed from everyone.
@stephanmaus @stephanmaus @href @saturno the topic is too complicated for a few toots, so here my full explanation. https://blog.xomg.net/mastodon-politics.html
@CobaltVelvet @saturno @href @stephanmaus Great post, thank you Alice. For me, this whole universe behind Facebook, Twitter & Co is new. I'm fascinated by this wild noise. Although there is nothing that I hate more than racism, sexism & fascism. But I feel better when I can see the ennemy.
@stephanmaus With all due respect, what @CobaltVelvet is doing isn't “silencing”, it's not “censorship”, it's a decision to not federate with instances. It's a decision to curate the experience, so yes, it's a Walled Garden, but the issue with Walled Gardens isn't that they're walled, but they you have no choice.
Like, the argument that blocking is problematic presupposes that octodon is a monopoly. It's not. You want the content, go somewhere else.
Don't force people to federate your way.
@stephanmaus @href @saturno I'll assume you're not subject to any powerful enough hate campaign to have lived it; then trust me, being as far as possible from it is vital to many people, and those many people like it here.
Your brain will indeed keep you from bad ideology, but it's not about that; it's about keeping your sanity around thousands of hateful idiots saying shit about you and keeping them away so you can still enjoy life.
@stephanmaus @href @saturno Hey it's that person I thought was an asshole two weeks ago, what a coincidence. It was a mistake on the about page, this instance is only silenced.
Blocking makes harder separations, I'm not protecting my users by blocking hateful people, I'm also blocking people who like them. It's the most important and also most ignored part.