just read an apartment therapy before/after article about a kitchen renovation and the person said they got rid of their dishwasher because they don't have many dishes to clean (fine) and that it seems like a water waster (completely wrong!!!) and I screamed internally. hand washing uses much more water!!!

@dthompson I remember being shocked to find out just how much more efficient modern day dishwashers are at water use than hand washing. Did not expect it.

@cwebber @dthompson I'm likewise surprised by this

is water used in pre-rinsing included?

@joeyh @dthompson pre-rinsing by the machine or pre-rinsing by the person loading them into the dishwasher?

Yes to the former, dunno by the latter.

@cwebber @dthompson I mean the latter, every time I've used someone's dishwasher they've remanded I pre-wash (I think it's nonsense, but it seems common)

@joeyh @cwebber yeah pre-rinsing is a controversial subject. my dishwasher instructions say to scrape off the dishes but not to pre-rinse. I will pre-rinse if anything is really stuck on there, like egg, that I know won't come off.

@dthompson @joeyh @wobblysaeeda Actually I bet this can be combined with the dehydrated MRE type food things I've been doing. If you pack individual meals into the tiny mason jars, then add water into them right before running the dishwasher and put them in the dishwasher, I bet it will cook them pretty well

This is a terrible idea and I have to try it now

@cwebber @dthompson @wobblysaeeda @mlemweb I mean you could just add a heat exchanger to your dishwasher drain pipe..

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@cwebber @dthompson @wobblysaeeda @mlemweb or maybe a modern dishwasher has a heat exchanger?

@joeyh @mlemweb @wobblysaeeda @dthompson @cwebber Modern dishwashers don't need heat exchangers because they recirculate the water, and a heat exchanger would require regular cleaning to avoid clogging with food. They do have thermostatically controlled water heaters though, so cooking food in one would not save any energy because it would have to expend more energy to keep the water hot.

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