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⑨ laín ⑨ @lain@pleroma.soykaf.com
> be me
> make server literally with the goal of making it easy and cheap to host, because i think it empowers people to host their own infrastructure
> 1 year later
> "hey Pleroma could be pretty good for people without many resources, even if the devs are all horrible people"
kaniini @kaniini@pleroma.site
@lain

i think people are starting to realize that we are not horrible people :)
Christopher Lemmer Webber @cwebber

@kaniini I suspect a lot of the hate for Pleroma comes from two sources:

- Historic "political division" between GNU Social and Mastodon as in terms of leftie vs alt-right (which wasn't even GNU Social's developers' doing or desire really), some folks from that space moving to Pleroma and thus to a lot of folks Pleroma being mentally branded that way
- @lain is the fediverse's class clown and recent events have lead many people to associate that kind of irreverent humor with undesirable stuff

Michał "phoe" Herda @phoe@functional.cafe

@cwebber @kaniini

@lain was literally one of the first people I muted on Mastodon and only a week or two after I muted them I realized "oh shit they're the pleroma person wtf"

Christopher Lemmer Webber @cwebber

@phoe @kaniini well.. I've subscribed to @lain and unsubscribed again before a few times, and looking at their timeline, stuff like pleroma.soykaf.com/objects/a72 and pleroma.soykaf.com/objects/b93 is why, and probably is why people get that impression.

(Lain, sorry to talk about you in the third person as if you aren't here. But consider that feedback I guess?)

PEA @pea@fuckonthefirst.date
@cwebber @lain @kaniini @phoe I honestly don't see how either of those posts could be construed as negative

the first is lain making fun of signs being the wrong way, the second is lain saying yikes to someone posting an obvious jewish stereotype
Christopher Lemmer Webber @cwebber

@pea @lain @kaniini @phoe not what I see when I read them. The first one looks like it's making fun of women organizing together, and the second looks like it's making fun of jewish noses.

And maybe you could make the argument that your interpretation is correct, but it's very hard to distinguish between ironic-social-commentary-meta-bigotry and actual-bigotry, *especially* in this era.

jorty (deprecated aspect) @jordyd

When I looked at those posts, I saw them the way @cwebber did, but what @pea sees also made a lot of sense to me. Either way, when I've seen these kinds of things from @lain , even when they do look "bad", they've never been very clearly bad. As someone who is very frequently misinterpreted (due to flat affect mostly) I don't think it's fair to project an interpretation onto lain in these situations, especially when lain has otherwise always said good/"progressive" things.

@kaniini @phoe

Christopher Lemmer Webber @cwebber

@jordyd @pea @kaniini @phoe Yeah I'm not saying @lain is bad and I agree that I've seen a lot of good things from them

what I'm saying is why a lot of people are getting that *impression*, and why I totally understand that

Notably, this is why I called Lain the fediverse's class clown :P

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jorty (deprecated aspect) @jordyd

@cwebber
Oh no worries, this was more a general comment/perspective than a criticism, as I didn't see you as really making that claim either.
@pea @kaniini @phoe @lain

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