@catoutofbed hmm honestly I like this idea? I understand if you don't though.

another i tried to implement in a short lived play by post fate campaign where whenever the players would come upon a challenge they wished they'd planned for they could "flash back" to the past when they actually set up for that thing

but that could involve some pretty complex note taking to manage all the characters at all the different points in time and maybe would break up the narative flow too much?

i've been trying to figure out what parts of our enjoyable campaigns i've actually enjoyed
some mechanics don't really transfer well to shadowrun but i think there's definately some decision fatigue that comes from being able to do literally anything
i tried to solve this by giving them a set of possible next steps along with a choose your own option for each setup phase of the previous run but that still got bogged down

having a guiding hand would allow them to get right into the run without any of the lengthy setup stuff but i don't want to deprive them of agency
but do they even want that agency?
it would also make runs a lot easier to prep because we'd basically be in medias res for the start of every run

actually now i'm thinking about how you could adapt frozen synapse to shadowrun...

i suppose one of the bigger issues is that when it goes to combat players die real quick
the game is less about outgun than out manuver
but that requires pretty well constructed encounters
which is
not something I'm good at

death in shadowrun would be more tolerable if character creation wasn't a four hour slog

and not in a good way like traveller or fate

see i tend to pull pretty heavily for rules light systems and campaigns
and yet one of our best campaigns has been d&d with straight combat all the way through with custom artifacts and bosses
and the setting of shadowrun is so cool
i really want to make it work

theres so many weird little systems i want to try too but getting people for those is impossible

@catoutofbed hi, jess

@Efi
hi, efi

@catoutofbed I like rpgs jsyk

@mithriltabby
that's funny
i tried doing a fate game with flashbacks for this same reason but it fell apart due to other reasons first

@catoutofbed I first used it in an adventure where the centerpoint was a Star Wars podrace. That would have put the spotlight on one character too much, so I introduced the opportunity for other players to introduce flashback scenes every time he encountered other racers, showing how they had messed with them by stealing their lucky dice, keeping them up all night partying, etc. They had a great time.

@mdhughes @catoutofbed I agree. If they don’t like planning, then plans must be short. You could hand them a plan. Or you could have more situations were planning doesn’t help: less immediately fatal risk, more random developments, more advance notices of developing situations which allow reacting on the spot a good strategy. Also, be open about the boredom of planning. Time box planning. That kind of thing.

@catoutofbed something to consider is the Forged in the Dark system, that currently powers Blades in the Dark. It's a heist-centric game, and may help with your issue. There's a cyberpunk adaptation in the works here: https://acegiak.net/2018/01/10/in-which-we-live-and-breathe/

@Alonealastalovedalongthe
i mean the stage of the run that is setting up for the run
not me prepping the run
but players planning the attack

@catoutofbed ahhhhhhh