@codl yes

@Siphonay this sucks

@Fabi they seem to want to make it compulsory

@Siphonay that's extremely fucked up, what does the French constitution say about this? :( what if you're a pacifist? :/ this wouldn't be possible in Germany because of our constitution

nevertheless, if you really have to go I can only say that the service will be over quickly, I know it's easier said than done but it will go over soon

@Fabi @Siphonay in germany, it was either military service, civil service or prison, if I recall correctly

@AdalwinAmillion @Siphonay exactly, and if your health condition would be too bad you would be withdrawn from service, even from community service

the German military conscription was suspended a few months before I would've needed to go, so I was quite lucky

but if I'd have needed to go and I wouldn't be withdrawn because of my diseases I definitely would've done community service because I'm a pacifist

@Fabi @Siphonay I am a pacifist, too

@Fabi it's not against the Constitution and is something they were still doing until the 90s I think

@Siphonay crazy, simply crazy

@Siphonay are you guaranteed to be forced into it or is it up to luck as to whether or not they send you papers or something?

don't forget everything has an end - it will not be forever if you are forced to go. it's gonna be okay.

@vahnj I'm going to be forced, if it's going like they want it to be. We'll see if it passes, first, even if they have a lot of ways to make it happen.

@Siphonay good luck x_x

@aeonofdiscord they announced it. but the current government passes all the law they want regardless of what happens.

@Siphonay that fuckin sucks

@Siphonay consider: a gun could be really useful for "accidentally" damaging more French military equipment

"Sorry sir, I missed and accidentally put 12 bullet holes in that truck's engine over there"

@Siphonay @troubleMoney "my bad I'm sorry that hand grenade blew up those parked tanks I slipped"

@Elizafox @Siphonay "Sorry sir, must have gotten confused and radioed in the coordinates of the base rather than the artillery range"

@troubleMoney
Yeah but what about these
@Siphonay

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@trwnh I'm going to see how it is and how I can avoid it when they pass the law

@trwnh @Siphonay Only a realistic option if you're confident you can survive jail, and then survive the employment/housing/social/govt stigma of being an ex-con in a far-right society the *rest of yr life*.

The former.. Goodness knows, doubly so if yr visibly in a minority. The latter alone requires a significant amount of resources & advantages already stocked; social, fiscal or etc.

..Without all that it sums up to "I'd rather be a martyr" for a lotta ppl.

( less to @Siphonay , more to @trwnh ; I wish you all the best and support yr decision whatever it is, Siphonay. "I'm sorry you're in this situation" is weak understatement of the year, but I can't think of any better.)

@pastelbat @Siphonay tbh that's all understandable. i don't value my life at all, so I have nothing to lose by refusing military service. foolish? probably. fatalistic? probably. but it would be "safer" than attempting sabotage and getting court-martialed or disappeared. my only hope in such a situation would be to be as public as possible and seek defense or asylum with the international community. it's rather grim regardless.