**Stefan Klöckner** @stefan · Jan 10, 2018, 13:12

**Stefan Klöckner** @stefan · Jan 10, 2018, 13:12

Stefan Klöckner @stefan

Would you choose an E-Mail-Provider, that doesn't send Messages to other Mail-Servers? Obviously not - no one would. But why do most users take walled gardens for granted in #InstantMessangers? #XMPP #IM

**virtualice** @CobaltVelvet · Jan 10, 2018, 13:20

**virtualice** @CobaltVelvet · Jan 10, 2018, 13:20

@stefan mostly because xmpp is generally awful and every xmpp client i have seen has been a disappointment.

walled gardens exist because they have a temporary superiority over other solutions, and just like we are seeing with mastodon when the free software becomes good enough people start to move.

**Stefan Klöckner** @stefan · Jan 10, 2018, 13:27

**Stefan Klöckner** @stefan · Jan 10, 2018, 13:27

@CobaltVelvet Have you ever tried Conversations (or ChatSecure, if you use iOS)? It is almost as good as WhatsApp and has a good OMEMO integration for encrypted mobile messaging. The desktop messangers are in need of improvement, I agree.

**virtualice** @CobaltVelvet · 2018-01-10T13:38:22Z

virtualice @CobaltVelvet

@stefan yes, the desktop client is really what i miss.

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