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Google Chrome is a badly designed, dangerous and buggy operating system that pushes software developers further a way from their own hardware and up into the application-layer walled garden that Google has created with its languages, libraries, and services. it ignores decades of best practices derived from solid research and development efforts, and, via Google's strong influence over the IETF and w3c, it threatens to gut the internet at its base level.

just as those of use who care about such things would tell our friends to stop using Microsoft Office and use Libreoffice instead, so we should be telling our friends to stop using Google products, services, and languages and libraries,and use alternatives. Google is 21st century Microsoft. in my view developers will be the worst here because they follow the herd, are conservative, and tend not to think outside the frameworks they know.

@walruslifestyle developing in Firefox is almost the same as in chrome, most of the same tools are available, as long as you're not using any proprietary APIs.

@faras fair, but Firefox does not command over 50% of the worldwide web browser market the way Chrome does.

@walruslifestyle it literally used to. A more similar thing I'd chromium that is fully free software, a barebones chrome.

@faras @walruslifestyle oh, maybe one day Firefox will learn to mark source maps, emulate touches properly and will get a decent profiler. I ❤️ FF and use it personally but developing with it is pain sometimes.

@charlag @faras
sure, just as it's easier to do Excel-like things in Excel than in non-Excel spreadsheets, but only because people have been raised on Excel (by design), and therefore are not practiced in doing things in non-Excel ways. you see the self-feeding cycle right?

@walruslifestyle @faras I do, but I've never developed in Chrome and I started in Firefox actually and still try to do most dev with it but I'm doing a lot of mobile and have no choice in the case (same with Safari which I utterly hate)

@walruslifestyle Could do with examples.

But yeah, Google's services essentially defines the rest of an operating system atop the Web. Which ofcourse is built on top of other probably better operating systems. It all looks quite ugly to me.

@alcinnz @walruslifestyle Example: google-maps. You get to look at a *picture* of a map; if the service goes away you have nothing.
OpenStreetMaps: you get the actual map data. If OSM goes away, you still have useful, raw map data (and can still produce map-pictures yourself)
("goes away" can include "you're not allowed to use it because ...")

@meejah @alcinnz yeah, exactly. Google treats a map of the world as theirs to control? even when much of what's good about that map comes from freely-given user feedback. i'll take open street maps any day.

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