Why are you calling it “censorship”? Am I supposed to be forced to listen to someone? Am I supposed to associate with everyone?
I grew up as a lonely cishet geek dude, so I get it — it sucks to be made not welcome.
But as much as it sucks to be excluded from spaces, it also sucks to be threatened so often by gendered violence that you can't be sure if someone of that demographic is decent or a danger.
Living on low-level or even high-level alert is exhausting. Wanting that space to breathe is understandable.
Oh and then there's that argument that being exposed to different viewpoints is good for you?
Which is... true to a degree, but not an absolute? Like, you know training, right? The growth occurs in response to strain, but it occurs during periods of rest.
You're not Majin Buu, bro. And some people don't get respite.
Also there's this perverse, and sometimes depraved line of thinking that thinks, “I don't care if people suffer, actually I *want* those people to suffer.”
Like, let's be real here, it's more universal than we'd like to think. I've felt genuine pleasure when I see someone who I thought was deserving get their comeuppance.
That's where schadenfreude comes from. Pleasure from someone else's misfortune. It's a dark emotion, it's sweet and bitter, and too much of it is bad for you.
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@StrangeNoises I also wonder how much of it is seeing the world in a scarcity sort of way. “More for you means less for me.”
@tariqk I almost wish it was that. I fear there's real spite in the mix though. That's what this last year has done to me. I think I believe that evil is s thing now.
@tariqk Yeah. The "I went through hell so others must" is... ridiculous. What about the idea that we make the world continually better for the people that come behind us? Is that... hard to understand?
@benhamill Probably because, in some ways, their viewpoint is so focused on they and theirs that anything else is a threat?
@tariqk There's some thing, too, about justifying your own suffering by making it into a moral good somehow.
@benhamill That demonstrates said person's experience with suffering, I'm sure.
@benhamill @tariqk The idea of investing in the future died with our grandparents' generation. The boomers have been putting their lives and fortune on credit for us to pay, and a lot of them have infected their children with the same entitlement perspective-- "fuck you, I got mine, I don't care who suffers."
@SuzanEraslan I was going to say that these people might be aiming to make themselves immortal and then eat their young, but judging by how destructive and short-sighted they are... nihilists. More likely they're nihilists.
@tariqk Yeah, the boomers got particularly nihilist around 40 (no surprise, one realizes one will die at some point) and started to cannibalize their own children. It's all about tax cuts now that benefit them when they were raised on a strong welfare state, but now they don't want to pay into it for the future generations. They don't care about tomorrow at all.
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Like, I think if you're feeling a dark joy when you see someone like Bill Cosby or Richard Spencer get their just desserts after a life of causing pain with no repercussions... I personally don't have issues with you?
But I've heard people who think others need to suffer for the crime of “having it too easy”.
Young people ought to be exploited because they're “spoiled”.
Fat folk abused because they didn't try hard enough.
That's... sick.