This is an interview of what I'd consider an old-school conservative, one who wants to argue policy and focus rather than scapegoating.

Also, the book title, "The culture of contempt", is eerily like the idea of 'politics of deserve' I've been going on about.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/05/13/arthur-brooks-american-enterprise-institute-interview-218364?