@dredmorbius @starbreaker

I like that take. It cuts the question in half. "I'm one of your best developers only because I specifically try to prevent from burning out by overworking. If I start overworking, my productivity would drop."

@starbreaker @dredmorbius

of course, the implied question's quite disgusting

"Hey, you're already working for us per the agreements of your employment. What if you started working MORE, but get paid the SAME?"

gee wow what an offer

@sydneyfalk @dredmorbius Yeah, I'm not getting a raise this year.

@starbreaker @sydneyfalk Shop resume.

Turn in resignation.

@dredmorbius @sydneyfalk

But then I'd have to do interviews. And every company is at least as shitty as the one I work at, so I wouldn't necessarily be getting a better deal.

BTW, I'm almost 40 and I live and work in the US. There is NO meaningful protection against age discrimination here.

@starbreaker @sydneyfalk @dredmorbius

flip side: they're not guilting you into extra work beyond hours

unfortunate truth: they are bigger than you and can largely do whatever they feel like and if they eventually feel like hiring someone easier to intimidate it'll happen

:( <3 I'm sorry

@sydneyfalk @sydneyfalk @dredmorbius True, but when that happens I'll collect unemployment for a few months and write a novel. I've been paying into the system my whole adult life, so it's not welfare.

It's restitution.

@sydneyfalk @dredmorbius

Exactly. I keep telling people that tired developers are the number one cause of software bugs, barely edging out vague specs and constantly changing requirements.

@dredmorbius I've been with the firm 2 years as an associate after 5 as a contractor. Most developers here are mercs and rarely last more than 6-12 months.

@starbreaker I think you've your answer right there.

Time to ask for a pay raise, and start unionisation efforts.

@dredmorbius This is the tech industry, remember? We ask for pay raises by applying for job at OTHER COMPANIES. :)

Besides, between my wife's salary and mine we at a point where we don't really have to worry about money. More would be nice, but we can manage as is if we're patient and save our money

@spridlewv Thanks.

@craigmaloney Or, if you'll pardon the Firefly quote: "I do the job, and then I get paid."

@Zoonie I wasn't as sensible when I was younger, but I learned from my mistakes. But it helped that I had a sense of priorities. I knew that time I spent at my day job was time I couldn't spend writing.

@starbreaker @Zoonie yeah, another possible response: "dunno man, you're the one who's supposed to motivate me, and from what you're saying I am not the one bad at my job" ;)

I randomly landed on the other side of this lately, managing a team. Trying to make sure people not work long hours, actually telling them to call it a day and take it easy every now and then.