Reminder to structure your projects in a way that they can't easily be taken over by a single company. Yes, I know it's a privilege being able to work on free software besides your day job. But if you have people getting paid for their work, make sure it's via different funding sources, or organisations.
Companies _will_ try to take over successful projects. Embrace, extend, extinguish never really went away and we have to deal with the fact that companies _want_ control over our communities
@spacekookie someone has added after your comment that " and an IP may be considered "personal info".
My company's data protection officer, a lawyer, and someone from the ico, all agreed when we asked this question. This prompted us to change our software's logging.
@basil No, it didn't come as dismissive, I thank you for providing knowledge I didn't have at the time of writing.
@amael My understanding was that an IP address was only personal data under GDPR if it can be used to identify the end user directly, for example by tying it to other personal information.
@jamie gdpr came in after this judgement.
GDPR specifically mentions IP addresses as personal data.
The complications and legal wrangling are always with if it can be considered appropriate or legitimate to hold and process a given bit of personal data in the context with which it is collected.
It's very simple until it gets very complicated. 😅
@basil Ah, so it was.
I remember wrangling over this when trying to work out if I needed a GDPR banner because of my system logs - which do store IPs - but I felt (not a lawyer) that it fell under legitimate interest.
@jamie our eggheads said our system could have usable logging without full IP addresses.
As in, it's not a core part of our functionality (and whilst it makes our life harder for debugging and user research etc) it isn't essential. So we just changed it rather than carry on discussing it.
But other systems, situations, and interpretations are available, etc.
What's it about?
In other news have they fixed the ugly logo yet? We'd try but have no intention of going up in that ridiculous Hall of Tortured Sods.
People need to look at that thing… sighs.
@spacekookie that comment says everything that needed to be said on the issue, thanks for taking the time to write it!
@spacekookie Can you cite your reasons for believing that Audacity is being taken over by a single company? I'm not seeing any obvious indication of that, but maybe I'm overlooking something?
"Ultimate Guitar" was their first product. Then they took over the already successful musescore (which originally used to be a spinoff of https://muse-sequencer.github.io/ ), and while they did add some good features, they also killed the free option for the online service musescore.com in a deal with the Music Industry ™, because that's actually their main area of expertise.
That github issue is now a shitshow btw
@spacekookie So... how _do_ companies take over an open source project like Audacity?
Need to know how it works in order to know how to prevent it.
@digitalcourage @Downes @spacekookie Thank you, I did in fact not get that, but I meant what @Downes mentioned: under which circumstances is it possible that a Floss-Project is taken over by some corporation, and how do you prevent it? This is something that is bothering me (because I have no clue), with MS in the Linux Foundation and whatnot.
@spacekookie I suppose firefox has normalized this
I like your feedback on it: "If you want to know what your users think about something, ask us"
@stsp STOP DOING ANALYTICS meme.
Wanted to know what your users thought of your software anyway for a laugh? We had a tool for that. It's called SURVEYS
@jookia @stsp lol equating having analytics in your program to quality is a high mark that you have to prove. Plenty of proprietary software scrapes every user action out of your client and is, at the same time, fucking awful.
Analytics are this big data brain worm that companies keep going back to because it allows them to stake their company value on how many active users they have. it's a capitalist tool, not a design one
@jookia What a stupid fucking question. Why do you assume that no user interaction is possible?
Also, usability studies exist.
since it's such an onerous thing to have, the default should be that there is never telemetry collected unless they have a very clear, agreed-upon reason for adding it that can be stated up front and is not controversial. the default SHOULD NOT be to add it with an opt-out.
@silverwizard Mainly things like surveying which features, OSes and hardware people use so you can drop support for them when nobody's using them any more. Crash reports are good too in some cases.
@silverwizard Downloads no because OS/hardware is a runtime issue. Support requests yes, but people aren't just going to make support requests to tell me they're enjoying the software and they use X OS and X hardware.
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