Indigenous faces don't count as human faces to Apple?
Yt person: "Akxually that's a particularity of biometric algorithms????? DUH!!!"
Except there are already AAN-trained apps that can digitally erase tattoos for detection, plus there are failsafe work-arounds for indigenous Maori, Kanaka Maoli people so we don't get locked out of our devices with a 'That's me' button. It's just West-centric yt-cis-male dominated tech industry and data sets don't care about indigenous people and participate in their erasure.
Yt person: "No, ur dumb. Facepainting savage."
I mean this is literally what IndigiStar deals with: the demonization and 'unprofessional'-ization of indigenous tattoos, patterns, beauty norms, gender, architecture, dress, et cetera as part of settler plundering of our lands, resources and people. Apple is continuing cultural genocide by artificially 'intelligent' means.
Actual Artificial Intelligence requires Decolonized Intelligence. You can't win an AI arms-race when you operate under Western barbaristic arms-race paradigms. Otherwise you get mega-servers full of Synthetic Stupidity and Software Sociopathy. https://youtu.be/mrrGnUdIxBU
@silverspookgames I always think about how face recognition services often literally cannot distinguish between Asian faces, either, or Black users in dimmer lighting. Like the racism is baked right into the programming of these things.
People were saying "oh well it's just a limitation of the technology, it was just an accident" no! That's now how AI works! What happened was they didn't consider black people/indigenous people/etc worthy enough to put enough of them in the training data. That's not better than them intentionally doing it!
That's not how that works either! You have a responsibility to be inclusive to the best of your ability from day one! If you're not doing that, not exaggerating, you're better off not making the product at all.
And it's not like a giant tech company didn't have the resources to make it inclusive.
@silverspookgames also, why not use the tattoo as part of the facial data for more security? It's apart of the face and almost always there for life.
@AgreeableLandscape Right? Tattoo-inclusive face detection would actually give you much *higher* accuracy if the software was tweaked for the unique characteristics.
@crystal @silverspookgames The Chinese government has developed facial recognition AI that can identify anyone, regardless of skin colour, while they're wearing sunglasses, or, as tested in the pandemic, a mask. It's definitely possible. It's just that Western techbro companies, in all their technological prowess, can't figure it out.
@silverspookgames first of, I never said anything remotely racist. It’s just facts. Read more about the topic.
FR systems detect faces based on specific patterns of light and darkness. What the HyperFace camouflage does is mimic those patterns of light and dark in a way which looks like a face to computer vision, but not to human eyes. The goal of HyperFace is to make your real face a needle in a haystack for FR systems, whilst being relatively inconspicuous (beyond just wearing a cool scarf) to the people around you.
Quite presumptuous of you to call me racist because I explained how tech works.
Besides being more inclusive for the sake of that, inclusive design makes it more useful for everyone. If you design it such that it can recognise a face with a dark tattoo, then it will probably also recognise someone in low light with half their face in shadow, for example.
@crystal @silverspookgames see the curb-cut effect. Having a ramp for people in wheelchairs to get onto the sidewalk will also help parents with strollers, or construction workers carrying wheelbarrows.
This is the same. You design your AI to recognise facial modifications, those same mechanisms will not only help the people directly intended, but everyone else too.
@silverspookgames related: In the West, body modifications like tattoos and piercings make you less likely to get through job interviews and are generally seen as very unprofessional. This is because they are associated with, one, indigenous people and people of colour, and two, poor people.
In contrast, other body modifications like nose jobs, facelifts, fillers, botox, etc are done mostly by rich white people, so they are seen favourably.
@AgreeableLandscape @silverspookgames well and specifically it's how well you're performing white supremacy. People aren't getting surgery to make their noses wide and rounded, if they're going for upperclass approval they're all coincidentally trending towards an artificial aryan/nordic stereotype. (Massive colorism issues among colonized nonwhites as well, with lightening creams and stuff.)
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