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Ok, so #scuttlebutt is a peer to peer social network running on to of a Blockchain-like message exchange system? Does that make it so no messages can be removed? If somebody in the US decides to post Nazi stuff, the network is de-facto illegal in Germany? Or does it have some resistance to bad actors?
It seems like a lot of systems designed to resist state intervention forget that fascist states enjoy popular support by individuals who might make it their mission to add noise to your signal.
It seems like a lot of systems designed to resist state intervention forget that fascist states enjoy popular support by individuals who might make it their mission to add noise to your signal.
The #federation model is effectively collaborative #moderation. The behaviour of every individual is too hard to track, but the limits of what a particular server considers permissible is more easily discovered. A user can pick an instance based not only on their own instance's limits, but how their instance handles federation with instances with significantly different limits.
Importantly, this model includes transparency and accountability. By contrast, shared blocklists address the scalability problem, but do so entirely without accountability. One of the largest shared blocklists on Twitter systematically blocks trans people, especially trans women. This list came about as a way to address the non-moderation of Twitter, but then, without accountability, became a tool furthering inequality and invisibilising marginalised people. What in scuttlebutt prevents this?
Importantly, this model includes transparency and accountability. By contrast, shared blocklists address the scalability problem, but do so entirely without accountability. One of the largest shared blocklists on Twitter systematically blocks trans people, especially trans women. This list came about as a way to address the non-moderation of Twitter, but then, without accountability, became a tool furthering inequality and invisibilising marginalised people. What in scuttlebutt prevents this?
I don't mean to have a go at them. I actually am asking.
I had a realisation on the train today that an unalterable ledger is a great way to show I paid an invoice, but can also be used to anonymously post outrageous slander that can't be deleted.
The boing boing post on scuttlebutt talks about how gossip degrades when repeated and says cryptographic signing is the solution, but every outrageous Twitter rumor theoretically has access to the originating tweet. Unless they have some mechanism to prevent speculation, hot takes, and lies, I'm not sure what prevents distortions from running amok.
On the other hand, the P2P aspect is really interesting and I don't know how else to achieve that.
I had a realisation on the train today that an unalterable ledger is a great way to show I paid an invoice, but can also be used to anonymously post outrageous slander that can't be deleted.
The boing boing post on scuttlebutt talks about how gossip degrades when repeated and says cryptographic signing is the solution, but every outrageous Twitter rumor theoretically has access to the originating tweet. Unless they have some mechanism to prevent speculation, hot takes, and lies, I'm not sure what prevents distortions from running amok.
On the other hand, the P2P aspect is really interesting and I don't know how else to achieve that.
@celesteh It occurs to me that error and forgetfulness are essential human traits that would stand in opposition to a 'perfect' never-forgetting system. I don't know much about block chains, but it would appear as something more useful for pan-optic control systems than freedom.
@sciss @celesteh given GDPR requirements it sounds like block chain tech probably makes it illegal regardless of the content tbh