Anyone know more?
also, h/t @aral
Wire seems to have released a statement about this business shift
Not sure how convincing it is for privacy-conscious, non-enterprise users
privacytools.io has removed Wire from their list of recommended secure messengers:
"[W]e have trusted them in the past because Wire had built a trustworthy reputation for themselves. We now feel that Wire has lost this reputation."
Currently their only recommendation for real-time communication is Signal: https://www.privacytools.io/software/real-time-communication/
clarification: Signal is now the only "encrypted instant messenger" option that @privacytools recommends.
However the site lists other options for "Team Chat Platforms," including Riot.im, Rocket.chat, and Keybase.
Here's the discussion about Wire being delisted on the @privacytools subreddit
@schlink @danarel It's amazing how the same story plays out over and over again....inivative, small startup with a strong moral compass meets bling bling big "C" and all previously held beliefs go out the window:(
Can't we learn where the problem comes from? Hint, hint it's not just the tech, go deeper.
@schlink we are working right now to redesign that page and more recommendations should be made shortly.
Back when I first read about the change of ownership or investors I started looking for an alternative. The writing was on the wall and this is the first obvious indication of that. There will be more especially for us non-enterprise users. I don't expect the free accounts to last or for them to release a freely available selfhosted and federated server solution like they have promised.
@kelbot I'm in the same boat! Really wish Cwtch was closer to being ready for prime-time (I'd need it to at least have a working iOS app to sell it to non-tech friends)
fwiw, @privacytools say they're going to be updating their messenger page soon. Curious to see what they go with!
@ajroach42 @privacytools @schlink
I looked back at the thread about the notification issue. They may have found a fix for the issue but haven't done a release in over 4 months. Based on their release cadence it will likely be 6+ months that all users of the most recent version of android will have been left with non working notifications. That will not fly with 99% of users. Doesn't inspire confidence in timely fixes to future problems.
@schlink @kelbot probably Signal (for IRL friends/family) and Keybase (for online friends & acquaintances). They are both still imperfect solutions. Not sure what is so difficult about creating a great instant messenger specifically, when basically every other software category has decent alternatives, but here we are. cc @jonah
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