Sam Schlinkert

realizing that the content of Mastodon DMs are accessible to you and your recipient(s)' administrators is a little scary, but!

(a) it's little different from how other social networks work and

(b) it might motivate you to explore what's called end-to-end encrypted messaging services, like Wire or Signal

Note: There are trade-offs to both of those options, and of course there are other services as well, but those two seem to be decent choices

@schlink Absolutely! DMs are fine for “what’s for lunch”, but please don’t depend on their secrecy.

@schlink Not to forget about and

@schlink There are a lot more admins in the #Fediverse, and they have less training and less oversight. Private messages over #Mastodon are not for real secrets.

@schlink both services are centralized and refuse to federate. Better try XMPP (OMEMO) or Matrix (OLM) @matrix

(And obviously you can put your Wire username and/or Signal number in your Mastodon profile)

@schlink PGP and Keybase probably deserve a mention here as well.

@schlink As you're mentioning Wire: I'm a bit confused, the site looks like Wire is primarily meant to be used by businesses. Is that right?

@schlink why should we use centralized messaging services instead of self-hosted or ran by person/subject we trust instance of XMPP or @matrix?

I realize now that Wire link above isn't ideal for new users (thanks @lx4r for pointing the out)

Here's a nice guide to getting started with Wire: (though it is on Medium fyi)

Also, note that both Wire and Signal are currently centralized services (unlike Mastodon!). As some have pointed out, there are federated/decentralized e2e options, including XMPP, @matrix and even PGP, but I (personally) find Wire & Signal easier to set up and use.

@schlink @lx4r @matrix Usability is the main issue with decentralized communications apps because decentralized identities haven't really been 'solved' yet, if that makes sense. If not, change my mind.

@tim You're totally right and I think this is the basic problem behind many of Mastodon's GitHub issues.

@lx4r Working on something. Give me a couple of more weeks. Code speaks louder than words, a wise man once told me.

@tim Awesome, looking forward to it!

@lx4r Don't worry. I'll make sure to spam Mastodon with it once it seems relevant enough. ;-)

@schlink Well, I mean, Twitter DMs are accessible to Twitter administrators, no?

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Octodon is a nice general purpose instance.