Today I was bummed to find out that the Purism Librem 5 phone likely won't be able to run apps like Wire or Signal -- the company calls them "walled gardens", adding "their server software is proprietary."
For encrypted comms, they write, "Matrix is the proper solution and that is why we have partnered with them."
That isn't surprising.
Purism's distribution also removes _all_ proprietary bits, even going so far as to use linux-libre.
Hope is not yet lost though. It's possible some nerd will make a client for it on the Librem 5.
Sounds about right. Always found signal suspicious and Moxie's argument for centralization and proprietary server bogus
@schlink Gosh, sure, when I think about security from a gardening perspective, the very first thing I want is no walls so just anyone can come in to look at and trample my plants
@schlink That's weird, and a shame cause Wire seems to be planning to document how to setup private instances and federation https://github.com/wireapp/wire-server#wire-server . The android client even seems to be gnu gpl-3 https://github.com/wireapp/wire-android
@paulfree14 @schlink @Purism that's an interesting decision to not base it on Android Open Source Project! The Signal server and protocol is actually totally open: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Server
But it is centralized and doesn't federate. However, that also means it's way simpler to create an account, find other users, and to use yourself. I like Riot too, but I don't think I'll stop using Signal any time soon.
If I recall correctly there was some code missing for voice calls. 🤔
But apart from that: Matrix is by far not on the level of Signal when it comes to security. Cloud stored messages, expiring messages, end2end encryption by default, reliable crypto,… there is so much left to do in Matrix that right now taking it as replacement for Signal is not practical.
@schlink To be fair, you should be able to flash any ARM-based Linux distro on it and then install Signal on that, if you want.
@schlink I believe their statement is valid and do endorse it.