@LinuxSocist @schestowitz what would you say the benefits of running Devuan would be it looks like just a fork without systemd. I have nothing against distro forks per se from a base distribution, but my problem is why not just make the base distribution better instead of re-inventing the wheel all the time. People ask me why Debian and I always say well because it's the original, and because it's started to Deb packaging system which everybody copies.