I know a lot of people are mad at CloudFlare, but I don't understand the outrage at them.
They handled this poorly (very poorly) regarding appropriate notice, but they did what they've always done. They follow the law.
The law in this case is stupid and I disagree with it, but expecting CloudFlare to break the law on your behalf is unrealistic.
Be mad at the fuckers who passed these laws.
> They handled this poorly (very poorly) regarding appropriate notice
that's why people are outraged
> Be mad at the fuckers who passed these laws.
oh, people can be mad at a lot of things simultaneously
for proof, see: *gestures at virtually all things now*
@nixy I think people are exactly mad at thing happening without notice
@nixy CloudFlare deserves shit for a lot of other crap they've done in the past and are still doing. I can absolutely see the point.
@Shotagonist
Such as?
@nixy It provides protection for criminal and/or odious websites (be that kiwifarms or rescator) and is known for providing these websites with the full personal information of people filing abuse complaints against these websites (one of the cloudflare admin literally confirmed this to me on twitter) The majority of SSL certificates used by phishing sites are also provisioned by CloudFlare. Is that good for a start, because there is more.
@Shotagonist
These are reasons why CloudFlare and other CDNs are bad for the internet as a whole and I'd agree with all of them.
But they aren't reasons why someone needing a CDN/DDOS protection shouldn't choose CloudFlare.
CloudFlare is shitty and abused by lots of nefarious people, but so are a lot of web services (URL shorteners are more trouble than they're worth)
@nixy i dont blame people for using it, but I don't feel sorry in the least for the shit flung at them currently.
@nixy cf that is, not the people using it
@nixy remember cloudflare made this bed by banning dailystormer. Prior to that they could argue they were acting in a bent pipe capacity, but by opening that can of worms they have to accept responsibility for content.
This is why free speech is important. Claiming moral victory today over controlling speech only leaves us open to being fucked by governments in the future.
@stevelord
The daily stormer did open a whole can of worms, but that's not really related to what happened with Switter.
Cloudflare has always removed illegal content (copyright, trademark, CSAM) and worked with regular hosting companies in those cased.
The only thing that happened here was content that was illegal was getting purged. This isn't surprising considering Switter was designed explicitly to get around SESTA/FOSTA
@nixy I think that's where most of the anger is from. It's shitty that they are compelled to do what they did, but they could have given more of a heads up.