I'm quite annoyed. Part of was sold to Amazon yesterday. That was a legacy allocation and should have stayed pristine, not hacked off for some commercial venture.

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@nivex I saw that. To be fair to them, they did point out that the block had never been used for amateur radio, but I'm not convinced by the US organisation that now has several million dollars.

They've already said they're only going to fund a specific type of US non-profit, so that means an international resource has been sold to benefit only US amateurs.

@ak @nivex I have some 44 range ips, I thought they could only be used on the air... So how would you they know if the block wasn't used or not?

@M0YNG @ak AMPRNet is a fully routable range. Some of it is advertised in BGP directly. Some is (or at least was) tunneled back through a server at UCSD.

@nivex @ak ah, I see.

Still feels like if we'd just do ipv6 already this wouldn't be needed.

@M0YNG @ak That's what I've been saying for the last 9 years:

But alas, "If you're not a part of the solution, there's good money to be made in prolonging the problem." (

Every last shred of IPv4 address space will probably be auctioned off to the highest bidder.


sadly virgin media, and every other domestic isp I've used, refuse to acknowledge v6 is even a thing.


@nivex $50M for selling the german Hamnet space...

Hope it is not going into the pocket but staying with AMPRnet for something usefull...
@nivex It's worrisome that this was done seemingly without much community involvement. On the other hand the money will likely be put to good use. We should really be moving toward IPv6 anyway
@nivex I'm a bit conflicted. on one hand, as a ham myself having a whole /8 is nice, but address space is getting vitally low and large allocations like that are part of the problem. I'm totally sympathetic to the plotline of david vs. goliath here, but there is an important social need for the entire address space to be efficiently used

maybe the addresses should have been used for the public good rather than handed over to one company, and that a sufficiently large fraction of be reserves in perpetuity for amateur radio operations, such that it will never be exhausted locally to the use case. also, do us hams have an equivalent ipv6 block? given the address space it shouldn't be a problem to giv4 us a few trillion addresses

@DJWalnut I asked IETF about a block some years ago. They told me to contact my RIR.

The Internet seems to be more concerned with commerce than anything else now :(

@nivex I mean, I still don't get why the ARRL or someone can't just buy up a /96 and call it the new Ham block (256 times larger too
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