There is no trans terminology that will ever be unproblematic and timeless because every new generation brings internalized transphobia that associates to the terminology they learnt in regards to trans people before coming out.
im gonna guess that in 10 years, transgender is problematic because trans people dont change their gender and as a word it reinforces the idea that trans people were never really their real gender.
and then enough people will go along with it because yeah that sounds like a good enough reason for why i dont like that word and definitely not because i dont want to be associated with older trans people.
i think my original point to all this, which i forgot to make, is that no matter what labels we choose for ourselves, we should also always be challenging ourselves to try and be comfy with the language that came before us, or risk losing our ability to identify with our history.
@00dani isn't trans terminology 😉
@mxsiege I mean I think that’s already started. I got called gatekeeping truscum on Twitter like 5 years ago because I said that transgender is an umbrella term and that there’s no wrong way to be trans. I doubt that person came up with their ideas about trans means and who it refers to in a vacuum. I think they were older than me too
@skipsageneration yeah ive had this conversation several times. Each time people hate the idea that transgender is an umbrella term. Apparently fuck everyone else who's icky.
@mxsiege You aren’t trying to suggest that trans people care about using accurate language to describe ourselves because we secretly hate all other trans people, are you? 👀
Because that is a way of reading this that would make me pretty uncomfy.
@slightlyflightyone im saying semantic shift transgender language happens often based around older language being called problematic, but that excuse of it being problematic is often "trans people i dont like used it"
@slightlyflightyone the obvious one is why is transsexual problematic and transgender isnt?
Sooooo… I’m not cool with you using transmedicalist talking points here.
I would prefer that you didn’t pretend that taking issue with the term “transsexual” because it has gatekeeping connotations was somehow transphobic because it’s frankly absolute bullshit and transphobic nonsense, thank you very much.
@slightlyflightyone why do you think transsexual has gatekeping connotations?
@mxsiege Kindly go fuck yourself.
@slightlyflightyone Sure thing.
I dropped away from trans activism for a few years and when I left, older women were calling themselves transsexual and when I came back, almost nobody was.
The only time I saw this come up was in a row about whether or not there needed to be a diagnosis for gender dysphoria. Somebody who did not need/want to access medical services wanted to remove the diagnosis and others objected, saying this materially effected TS people on the NHS.
I missed any other fights.
Which is to say, I'd be interested in hearing what the problem is with the term, as I've got no clue.
And, tbh, my own discomfort with the term is not just because it has the word "sex" in it, which I at one time, I thought was strategically not great, but also because I was uncomfortable with trans people before I came out, so the original thread really resonates for me.
Yeah, ive always viewed it as an older term and one that a lot of people are uncomfy around but im always a little surprised when people treat it as a slur. I'm totally alien to tumblr or twitter though so no doubt im missing a lot.
@mxsiege this sounds so plausible and thinking about it already makes me feel so frustrated and tired 😩
@elsilnora we're a community that houses a lot of trauma, and it makes us very susceptible to wanting to destroy and remake things to be more perfect.
@mxsiege it's sad to see it happen so often...
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personally, i don't like 'transsexual' because i'm the only one i know well who uses 'sex' to mean a state of a human body, and before i heard of anyone who used it as a self identifier, i heard it used in the same breath as the t slur and the f slur; i don't mind it when someone's self identifying with it, though. if you're telling me that you're a transsexual, cool, that's what you are
i might well be an outlier though, my brain works weird
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@aradinfinity i dont really mind what the word is in terms of which one everyone agrees is the acceptable one at the moment, the words mean effectively the same thing because they're all problematic or are going to be, for some part of the trans community in some way. Im more just interested in how those shifts happen, and how they divide us.
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@mxsiege you got kinda ridiculously derailed
@lawremipsum c'est la vie add
@mxsiege I think this is a fairly essential part of understanding that gender is socially constructed and fluid and flexible and changeable and the way it's understood is likely to continuously change and that's fine
@shonalika yes definitely, and it will continue to shift and change no matter what, just that we can't change history so we have to make peace with it.
@mxsiege "Euphemism Treadmill" is the term for this general phenomena. Observed a lot in discourse about race, gender, sex, mental health, etc. Well-intentioned terms carry the baggage of the bigotry of their own time. "Colored People" used to be something that progressives said, etc.
I think you're absolutely right about this.
@mxsiege the obvious cure to this would be to make a world where eggs aren’t horrible little angry alienated shitheels before they come out, but then I feel funny about not being able to relate to those girls if they weren’t
@TrannyOakley lol i know right! i had that same thought process last night.
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