@mlemweb hi! Sorry for messaging you out of nowhere. I was listening to LibreLounge and looked the hosts up on the fediverse and on birdsite, which suggested me your profile. I'm an academic in the field of music history and musicology and a free software enthusiast, so I got interested in the "digital humanities" and even more the "free software in academia" mentioned in your profile, as I've been trying to bridge these interests of mine. Do you have any resources to point me to, please?

@fredmbarros

A lot of the digital humanities work that really engages with free software is done by librarians or IT people rather than the principal investigators.

I was on a panel at last year's Libre Planet on Free Software in Academia that you might find interesting: I led a panel at LP2018 you may be interested in: media.libreplanet.org/u/librep

@mlemweb with regards to the panel, I got greatly interested in taking part in whichever discussion group, mailing list or any other form of being in contact with people who are working in this field. By the way, I think DebConf this year will be here in Brazil. Is there anything planned related to these fields we’re talking about?

@fredmbarros

I've met several individuals at various conferences, but I haven't found a central location yet. I think what we need is more Free Software dialogue at Digital Humanities conferences.

I've never attended DebConf (I use Debian, but I'm not a Debian Developer), so I'm not sure what's planned. I attended LibrePlanet in 2017 and asked around for people working in FS & DH, and the response I frequently got was, 'why don't you do a talk on it', and I did, maybe you could do the same?

@mlemweb don’t you think we could try to create some form of “online gathering point” (I’m sure there’s a better word for this in English, but it’s not coming to me now) for people who are interested in this? I don’t know, a discourse forum, a website, a podcast... I’m really interested in working towards improving this. Most people simply don’t realize the implications...

@fredmbarros I think this would be a great idea. I'd be interested, but I don't know that I have the time right now to set it up myself. I do however know someone with a free software podcast ... @cwebber ?

@mlemweb @fredmbarros I think bridging free software / culture and digital humanities / academia is a great topic for a future @librelounge. What do you think @emacsen ?

@cwebber @mlemweb @fredmbarros @librelounge I think it's worth discussing. We're also discussing other issues around academia that people brought up.

I'd like to hear more specifics about what we'd discuss. Email me and let's talk more.

@aminb and @eylul, welcome!

(People, please tell me if I left someone out, as it’s kind of hard to keep everybody in the loop)

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@emacsen @librelounge @_emacsomancer @cwebber @mlemweb
@teinturs

I don’t know whom among you followed the earlier conversation about a platform for the creation of collaborative text.

And there’s @wolftune joining in too
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@aminb @eylul @emacsen @librelounge @_emacsomancer @cwebber @mlemweb @teinturs

As most academics won’t be willing to learn version control, I started thinking: what if there was a text editor embedded in a website that acted like a fronted for Git?

@wolftune @aminb @eylul @emacsen @librelounge @_emacsomancer @cwebber @mlemweb @teinturs

@fredmbarros @wolftune @aminb @eylul @emacsen @librelounge @cwebber @mlemweb @teinturs I'm not that keen on working/forcing people to work in a browser though, but it makes a sort of sense. Has anyone tried GitHub's Desktop (desktop.github.com/)? I wonder if the right sort of GUI could at least ease pain for some people.

@_emacsomancer @fredmbarros @wolftune @eylul @emacsen @librelounge @cwebber @mlemweb @teinturs

Among online LaTeX editors, I've heard Overleaf has git integration as well, but I wouldn't recommend it for two reasons: first it's proprietary, and second you're screwed if (when) their servers go down and that's your main tool (happened to a student in our group last term, an hour or so before a paper submission deadline).

I've been thinking about recommending Magit lately. It's hands down *the* best interface I've ever used for git. I've been thinking of putting together a fairly simple .emacs file that would automatically install latest version of Magit, and customize a few things to provide a more beginner-friendly Emacs experience for the novice user that may not necessarily be willing to learn to do things "the Emacs way" if all per want to use it for (at least in the beginning) is Magit.

Thoughts?

@aminb @emacsen @librelounge @eylul @fredmbarros @teinturs @cwebber @mlemweb @wolftune
Overleaf: putting the proprietary issue aside, it's pretty bad now compared to v1, where the Git integration actually worked. It doesn't really work anymore - I filled a detailed complaint, but....
Emacs: I was going to suggest something similar - one can set up Emacs to automatically commit and push on every save, for instance. Maybe something like Portacle, but aimed at humanities/social sciences people?

@_emacsomancer @emacsen @librelounge @eylul @fredmbarros @teinturs @cwebber @mlemweb @wolftune Interesting! Didn't know that it doesn't work anymore

And yeah perhaps something along the lines of Portacle. Though, we shouldn't have to ship the entirety of Emacs: just a .emacs file that the user would drop in their home dir after installing Emacs on their OS however they wish. The .emacs file would download the required packages from (M)ELPA and set everything up the next time the user starts Emacs

@aminb @emacsen @librelounge @_emacsomancer @eylul @fredmbarros @teinturs @mlemweb @wolftune You may be interested in what Ricardo Wurmus is trying to do with "Guile Studio" git.elephly.net/?p=software/gu

The idea is to provide a preconfigured emacs that's easy to pick up for non-emacs Guile users in the way that DrRacket is for Racket users. (Or, how spacemacs is for emacs users coming from VIM, but generalized to modern IDE concepts.)

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Yeah, DrRacket is one of the reasons we chose Racket for our DH programming workshops. Since it has its own text editor and interface, we could just jump right in without having to explain emacs or VIM first and half of the tutorial was focused on Scribble, because the markup language applies Racket in a way that's easy to understand and applicable to the humanities student's daily lives

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