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This company that sells clothing says it had to stop selling to EU because of GDPR. This image IS their site now, it says: "Blame your government (no, really)".

Really though? It's that hard to sell me clothes while respecting my privacy? You only have to blame yourself on this one 😂

@kingannoy reminds me of anti-adblocker pages that make fun of the visitor

@kingannoy "Blame your government not us. please. please don't blame us oh god please please please we just want to keep abusing your privacy it's how we make EVEN MORE money off you D: "

@kingannoy This always makes me wonder how poorly these companies were handling our data prior to GDPR that they are still so non-compliant nearly 2 and a half years after it was announced!

@kingannoy @aral

Thanks capitilaistic BS. It's just a ploy to get people to want their clothes even more and go to any means necessary to buy them. Not to mention just an easy way to avoid having their developers spend 15 minutes making their site compliant.

@redandgreen14 @kingannoy @aral the site being compliant is easy, making your business logic is a lot more work.

@vorticalbox
@kingannoy @aral

Indeed. Hence the sarcastic comment.

Although, one would question the logic of capitalism.....

@kingannoy Tells you everything I think you need to know about them as a company. :shrug_x80:

@kingannoy i love watching crappy business models fail bc of GDPR 👌🏻

@kingannoy gotta wonder what kind of clothes they were selling in the first place.... 🤔

@kingannoy to my mind its such a childish thing for a company to do; its not like GDPR is that difficult to implement and even if they have some edge case that makes it complex, they had years to plan for this.

Just childish 🤨

@kingannoy Almost as bad as Tronc blocking EU visitors on every single one of their news sites. Like, FFS. Proxies are for torrents, not reading the LA Times!

@kingannoy If they don’t have any assets in the EU, why don’t they just get fined and then tell the EU to stuff it when it’s time to collect?

@duck57 @kingannoy Countries may simply block their website. Very easily. Probably not worth it. Their remark shows a very high level of ignorance and arrogance. #GDPR

@yac @kingannoy Is there any benefit to the business to block the EU nations instead of forcing the EU nations to block them? I guess it’s to keep open any future expansion opportunities should they choose to treat personal data responsibly in the future.

@duck57 @kingannoy Opening your site to EU citizens while not being #GDPR compliant is at best a waste of effort, time and money if you end up investigated, sued and blocked anyway. And would be bad publicity and shoddy business practice. But hey, why not #yolo

@yac
That's a straw man. I never said they should just sell to the EU. Or that it would make sense for them to expend any effort at all to become compliant.

Not being careful what data you keep on your customers, not complying with sensible regulations () about data retention. That is shoddy business practice. Because maybe someday you will be hacked and all that data will leak, but hey, don't worry, .

@kingannoy Yes that would be very bad but some companies are bound to take a chance, because they just suck and can't think of any other way. I guess many operate in the EU w/o any compliance whatsoever. At least #MooseJaw decided to abide to the law - although with a very radical solution that probably did not serve them.

@yac
I missed the thread leading up to your post. I thought it was a reply directly to me and my response was unnecessarily combative, sorry. 😑

@kingannoy looks like they were bought by WalMart last year, so not really a surprise.

@kingannoy
'the most fun outdoor retailer on the planet',
they say, and yes, i really am #lmao ...

@kingannoy yeah, maybe it's better that they don't sell anything in the EU then.

@kingannoy I read "So sorry we are so slow. The last two year, the grace period, we did nothing. We just don't care about you."

@kingannoy it’s software, of course it’s hard to change it at every level from front end to payment gateway to fulfilment.

@kingannoy What horribly cynical copy writing. I will definitely never consider to give them any business. Thanks for the heads up.

@kingannoy @merce

"On February 15, 2017, retail giant Walmart acquired Moosejaw for $51 million in cash." - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moosejaw

No love lost.

@icaria36

That statement reeks of "#profit-#consumerism before anything".

It's somewhat amusing they seem to presume that we are all on the same page about that.

@kingannoy @merce

@orbifx @kingannoy @merce Plus, there is no lack of excellent European companies producing good quality outdoors clothing, including family-run businesses with certain business ethical standards. I love outdoors activities, and these are the ones I shop from.

@kingannoy Makes you wonder what kind of weird nonsense they're up to. Sewing GPS trackers into your yogapants? Bluetooth-enabled vests?

@kingannoy just sent them an email to delete my account, fuck this

@kingannoy If only it were that simple...most of my clients chose to work toward compliance, but some took this tack. They weren't (and aren't) crazy, and there's nothing wrong with blaming the EU for making this choice. It has consequences - some they'll like (fewer cookies) and some they won't (further neutering the possibility of a European Silicon Valley). This one falls somewhere in between.

@FlyingLawyer
Silicon valley got you Trump, I'm glad we (the EU) are trying a different tack 😉

@kingannoy Also fair. Our side of the pond may well be too hands-off, and that produces some good and some bad consequences. On the whole, I'd take Silicon Valley over GDPR, but I fully admit my American bias in that judgment. It's totally reasonable to come down on your side. My point was that the heavy-handed EU approach *also* produces some good and some bad consequences., and I think it'd be disingenuous to pretend GDPR has no downside.

@FlyingLawyer
I could understand your argument if we were talking about a company has a reason for handling private data, like say, Fit Bit. And if they said something like: "We got caught with our pants down, we'll be back with you as soon as we figured it out".

Instead it's a company with no excuse for gathering anything but your address, low-key insulting our government. They aren't crazy, they are the target of this law and I love their precious little snowflake response.

@kingannoy I think that's a fair distinction, but I'm not sure it necessarily supports that side of the argument. There's something inherently fair about expecting fitbit or google or facebook to handle personal data in a sophisticated, accountable manner. Should we treat a clothing company the same way? That raises one of GDPR's other unintended consequences; the parties it benefits most are the ones it seeks to constrain (by disproportionately affecting less sophisticated competitors).

@kingannoy In actual dollars-and-cents terms, putting up a blocker like this is a net gain compared to spending the resources to achieve full GDPR compliance for many US companies. They just don't sell enough of their products/services in Europe to justify the transaction cost and additional risk.

@FlyingLawyer
That is because the negative externalities are never connected to the companies. If companies were held accountable for the damage all this stored data does when (not if) it leaks, they would think twice about hoarding it.

I really like @doctorow comparison to a oily rag business. It is inherently dangerous to hold on to all this data. These companies can only profit from it because those dangers will never hit them but only their customers.

@FlyingLawyer
So I understand that it's in this companies best interest to just not do business in the EU. In dollars-and-cents terms it's better for them if they can keep being as un-responsible with their customers' data as they want. They prefer it if those possible negative externalities don't get connected to them.

Totally reasonable free market response.

@FlyingLawyer
A clothing company shouldn't have any trouble adhering to the GDPR because they shouldn't be hoarding any data.

How hard can it be to make you database tables for customer addresses and for your mailing list compliant?

I don't think that is hard enough to warrant their response. That is why I conclude they must have been hoarding all data they could find on their customers, and made that such a ingrained part of their business that it's impossible to stop.

@FlyingLawyer
It's as if a physical store would say something like:

"We have to close our store. We can't comply with these health and safety standards and getting our building up to the fire code is just too much effort. So sorry... Blame your government (no really)"

@kingannoy Your basic argument is correct. There are a few wrinkles that you may not fully appreciate. First, it's important to separate liability and preemptive regulation as legal levers. You're absolutely right about the negative externalities that a lack of liability has created for companies in this space, but that doesn't mean you necessarily *also* need to tell the company how to store its data in the first place. This is how products liability works (when it works).

@kingannoy Second, GDPR requires dramatically more than complying with best practices, especially for foreign companies. It is not as simple as "privacy good, ergo GDPR good." It is *intentionally* vague, requires foreign entities to submit themselves to the personal jurisdiction of European countries (viz a viz the data transfer mechanisms), and in some cases prohibits what local state or federal laws over here require (and the exceptions for legal compliance only covers EU law).

@kingannoy what the heck has clothing got to do with direspecting your privacy? this is ridiculous

@kingannoy this is so ridiculous. They’re the ones looking VERY stupid

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