@adamk678 yeah but why don't guys have the ability to lactate in the first place? Like, that sounds useful for prehistoric man to me. It's just hitting me how weird this conversation is

@kimdanes I didn't realize this conversation was weird until you pointed it out

@lopsigon well it was only really weird until you joined in. Then it wrapped right back around to normal

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"A Möbius Strip's Guide To Weird Conversations" by Möbius A. Strip

@lopsigon dare I ask what the A. stands for

@kimdanes @lopsigon Anne

@jordyd @lopsigon or maybe it's just followed by a bunch of those Unicode symbols that reverse the direction of the text

@kimdanes @jordyd I tried asking Möbius but they wouldn't tell me.

@lopsigon @kimdanes
> what does the A stand for, Möbius?
> oh, no raisin

@kimdanes @lopsigon lopsigon has that effect, it's nice

@kimdanes @adamk678 I've heard that men can lactate with a lot of time and effort but idk how true that is really

@jordyd @kimdanes @adamk678 it’s true, also you can just take some hormone pills and you’re a milker now

@rotatingskull @jordyd @adamk678 am I being lied to

I'm afraid to google any of this

@kimdanes @rotatingskull @adamk678 I assure you I'm not lying, I can't assure you I'm telling the truth

@kimdanes @rotatingskull @adamk678 if you do decide to google it, try "LACTATING MEN (EXPLICIT)" (don't try that)

@jordyd @rotatingskull @adamk678 I had to go to the library anyway, I might as well google it while I'm there

@jordyd @kimdanes I think you need more developed breasts to do that so the conclusion we can reach here is that men should have boobs too

@Dngrsone for the ability to lactate I meant more big-picture, as in why did mammals specialize to have only half the population capable of lactation, since it sounds like an evolutionary advantage? But the rest of the info answered my other questions, thanks

@kimdanes You know, that's a good question. A quick search of the intarwebs yielded me one site (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0022519379903345) with a sort-of answer that basically says because lactation is wired into being female, it just hasn't happened much, though the same searched yielded that several mammal species have done so, it looks like there only one kind of bat that does it normally. (search: https://www.google.com/search?q=male+mammals+lactate)

@rotatingskull right, but breastfeeding is so very integral to the raising of children that it would make sense, at least to me, that both parents would be able to feed their offspring. That way if one of them died, the other could still raise the child to maturity. But I guess this is less about humans than whatever the world was like for very early mammals.

@kimdanes It would be a lot easier, yes. But all evolution does is select from what has already accidentally evolved and picks the best one to survive. It doesn’t magically make the best imaginable species. If it did that do you think it would have designed us, a species whose main obsessions are tribal warfare and global annihilation?

@rotatingskull right, good point. So in other words, evolution is buns

@kimdanes @rotatingskull if you’ve ever written a genetic algorithm you know: They Suck

@kimdanes @rotatingskull that’s why I’m writing a genetic algorithm to create a population of algorithms that are superior to the genetic algorithm

@jordyd @rotatingskull the genetic singularity approaches

@kimdanes @rotatingskull it may take a bit, this population of algorithms died via nuclear annhilation and the system has reset