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I don’t understand how anybody could agree to extradite somebody to the USA unless they were themselves a country accused of committing acts of torture in prisons or war crimes abroad … ah, wait. 😭

I just recently read a piece in the Monde Diplomatique about the ICC and the fact that the US refuses to sign up still angers me.

For reference:
“The United States is not a State Party to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court … which founded the International Criminal Court (ICC) in 2002 as a permanent international criminal court to "bring to justice the perpetrators of the worst crimes known to humankind – war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide", when national courts are unable or unwilling to do so.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United

I find it pretty obvious that the national
courts of all the United whatevers “are unable or unwilling to do so”!

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USA UK negative 

@kensanata My vague understanding is that the extradition treaties include something saying the US won't torture the person extradited.

USA UK negative 

@penguin42 Yeah, but some people think the US high security prison system is torture…

USA UK negative 

@kensanata They apparently made some legal assurance 'However, the US authorities later gave assurances that he would not face those strictest measures' - not sure of the details. Basically Assange's lawyers went through all the human rights reasons not to extradite based on shitty US conditions, so the UK gov got some form of guarantee that those wouldn't happen.

USA UK negative 

@penguin42 @kensanata Also the possibility arises that he will be suicided, just like the man who didnt kill himself.

USA UK negative 

@kensanata there's also the small matter of Guantanamo Bay and the Bush era policy (passed as law, and still in place) where the US army will invade the Netherlands if any American or allied citizen is ever tried in The Hague.

I suspect the reason the UK government grants their requests is because we need access to the five eyes intelligence network and a post-Brexit trade deal.

USA UK negative 

@TrechNex yes, all of this is to our all eternal shame 😟

USA UK negative 

@kensanata The US is not likely to put itself under European sovereignty anytime soon, and the UK just finished divesting itself of the EU.

The EU doesn't own the planet, just one tiny sub-continent, can't run a court on everyone they don't like.

USA UK negative 

@mdhughes The ICC is not the European Court of Human Rights. Join that would be good news, seeing as it has a positive effect on Switzerland which is not part of the European Union.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern

I concede that the situation can be confusing as the ICC is different from the ICJ.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern

Anyway, the ICC happens to be located in The Hague but it’s an international court, not a European court.

EU negative 

@kensanata I'm aware of the difference, the ICJ doesn't try to prosecute non-Europeans.

A court in EU, by EU bureaucrats, for EU interests, is an EU court, even if it has some non-EU European members.

It's colonialism 2.0, they know what's best for everyone else and will… well, they haven't worked out the enforcement part, because bombing cities is out of fashion this week. OTOH, the US law that we'll forcibly retrieve our service members who are imprisoned has enforcement.

EU negative 

@kensanata Ideally none of this ever comes to practice. ICC can do their mock trials and US can ignore it, and everyone stays friendly-ish.

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