This one is my gaming and other randomness account; @ignitionigel bring my main account @kensanata

@algernon Thanks! I think we need a list for keyboards. I remember @kbp! And somebody hat a ton of self-made keyboards pinned. Was it @ckeen? @technomancy also comes to mind. "Hardware" is a bit too general, I think. But something to keep an eye on, of course.

@kensanata @algernon @kbp @technomancy

How about #DIY ?

@ckeen @kensanata @kbp @technomancy That's also a good list (but not a replacement for "Keyboards", in my opinion; there can be plenty of overlap though!)

@algernon @kensanata @kbp @technomancy Yes, overlap is always good. Maybe like tags? I think oddmuse can handle tags, can't it?

@ckeen Yes it can but this isn't Oddmuse. Maybe it should have been! But right now it's text files and some Perl code... Actually it does sound like Oddmuse. A bastard child!

@kensanata Feel free to add me to any category you see fit!

@ckeen Gopher, Keyboards and Programming it is!

@ckeen Actually, is your account locked? That's maybe a reason not to recommend it to newbies?

@kensanata Yes it is locked, but I check requests regularily and am using the locking mechanism to keep out spambots and idiots

@kensanata regarding keyboards, @obra might be a good fit too. Worth asking at least!

@algernon Hm. @obra looks like a good fit based on the bio, but then it turns out to not be very active and not having posted anything about keyboards?

@kensanata *nod*, @obra isn't too active here, but hopefully that'll change in the future. Perhaps include him then (assuming he's ok with it, of course)?

(he's the mastermind behind the #Keyboardio Model01 by the way, for a bit of context)

@algernon @obra Oh! /me looks over to the Model 01 in the box... 😊

@kensanata @algernon yeah, working on figuring out a migration here from birbsite.

@algernon @kensanata I see what you mean about Makers being more restrictive than Hardware, but I'd had the opposite reaction to seeing Hardware, as that (to me) implies that computers/electronics are involved somewhere and there are many makers for whom computers are a tiny part of their making, if at all. Maybe have both? I'm happy to be on either/both lists, btw.

@amcewen @algernon Hm, I guess I'm going to be liberal and use Makers. That's certainly a word newbies will be looking for.

@homardelac Sure. But why not both?

@kensanata
I don't like the idea that people are put in files. Actually it is forbidden in many countries. It is much better to let people do the job by themselves.

@homardelac This is why I ask people to volunteer themselves.

@kensanata
The simple fact that a file exists has to be registered in many countries, in Europe for example. Better to avoid putting a foot in this path. Even filing public data such as twitter id's and curriculum is forbidden and very dangerous, I think.
Just to give my grain of salt.

@homardelac Do you have some links? GDPR doesn't seem to be a problem, as far as I can tell. Swiss data protection law also features an exception in art. 4d: "Ne sont pas soumis à déclaration les fichiers ... les fichiers contenant exclusivement des données qui ont été publiées ou qui ont été rendues accessibles au public par
la personne concernée sans que cette dernière se soit formellement opposée au traitement" https://www.admin.ch/opc/fr/classified-compilation/19930159/index.html#a4

@kensanata
Just follow the scandal of EU DisinfoLab in France. They bought the full twitter data base and classified the people politically to try to show a russian influence in the last president scandal. A number of complaints have been filed against them. The first problem imho is the simple fact that twitter maintain this database.
GDPR is not the full story.

https://www.cnil.fr/en/new-guide-regarding-security-personal-data

@homardelac It sounds like a very different thing to me.

@kensanata
You may find some useful data on this blog : https://www.huntonprivacyblog.com/tag/cnil/
Other european countries have similar organisations as the french Cnil.

@kensanata
This looks interesting, particularly chapter 7.
https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/6-502-1481?transitionType=Default&contextData=(sc.Default)

@homardelac @kensanata how are Mastodon accounts personally identifiable data? Lists can be created on Twitter without consent of the list members.

@miaow
Under the new European GDPR, putting people in files is regulated. Even if people use id's, it is easy to profile them.
Only a few posts are enough.
@kensanata

@homardelac @kensanata again, if this were the case (and I’m far too lazy to go through pages and pages of boring regulations to find out), then Twitter lists would also not be GDPR compliant. Indeed much more so since it is done without explicit opt-in, like here.

@JollyOrc Ouch, something doesn't work in production! 😭

@JollyOrc I finally figured it out! OAuth requires you to provide the redirect URLs when you register the app and I was using a different URL for every list. So, it worked for the very first list, and never for any other list. 😭 I had to rewrite it so that it now uses cookies. I hope it works for you!

@kensanata the good news: No visible error message.

Sadly, clicking Ok doesn't do anything, as Chrome console reports: "Refused to send form data to '<URL>' because it violates the following Content Security Policy directive: "form-action 'self' <URL> <URL>"."

@JollyOrc I guess Chrome thinks going from https://communitywiki.org/trunk/follow/Gaming to https://communitywiki.org/trunk/auth is not "self". Gaaaha.

@jonne @jaranta Sounds good to me! And these two accounts belong to one person, right? I don't want to sign up strangers. 😀

@kensanata Yes, both are me. (Answering from the other account now.)

@kensanata You can also add this account to Information Technology and Vegetarian -lists.

@jonne Yeah, as soon as I announced it, I found a major bug! More here: https://octodon.social/@kensanata/100542320312158751 😭

@nico I know. Help me out, here?

@kensanata of course, i see plenty of people into crafts, humour, fiction writing, alcohol...i'd imagine people would show up who toot about fashion/clothing/makeup whatever (particularly our trans friends) that sort of thing

@kensanata whatever people call electronic music this week, feminism, politics, nature/going outdoors/something

@nico Perhaps a people who post a lot of music links but who aren't musicians. That'd be just Music but not Musicians?

@kensanata I do like the idea, it's good thinking

@nico Thanks for the suggestions. I've added some more (sadly empty) lists.

@trwnh I have no idea! Perhaps we need more poetic list titles. "Many different topics but all of them interesting" or something like that. Do you have a suggestion for a good name?

@kensanata To use myself as a personal example (though I can't exactly promise they'll be good -- I'm rather shitpost-adjacent), the words I'd use are perhaps "Humor" (very loosely), "Misc" (for miscellany), "Culture" (not necessarily pop), "Design" (in a theoretical and systems sense, but not strictly that)... it just seems like the current taxonomy is pretty boxy.

@trwnh Yeah it is! I was just talking to @dredmorbius and we thought of stuff like "Applied Philosophy" and "Tactical Philosophy". Not sure what to make of this. "Interesting People". But many people think they're interesting and I don't think so. It's a hard problem.

@kensanata I like the Salon concept. Where a salon has a host and set of generally addressed topics.