One of the problems with self hosting (other than the question of archiving I recently posed) is that it leads to alienation. “Mine! Mine! Host your own!” When in fact I would love to have small groups of people share. Not many of us, to be sure. Ten or twenty at most. Where everybody can be heard without us paying the cost of #consensus democracy. The price is real, sadly. The German Wikipedia article is better than the English one in explaining, I’m afraid: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konsensdemokratie
@kensanata @vfrmedia
Thanks, I read the german one (with computer help to be sure).
I'm slightly more persuaded that consensus has its place in some circumstances.
I wonder about vote fatigue. People having to vote regularly on all kinds of things. How much participation is there in .ch where I understand that there are e.g. votes on e.g. accepting a particular immigrant at the canton level?
@gemlog @vfrmedia I don’t think there is as much consensus politics in Switzerland as the article says. We do have an executive of seven ministers with equal say and tradition has it that these seven make consensus decisions, speak as one. I’m more familiar with collectives (a weekly newspaper, some forms of coop housing) and endless discussions where consensus is sought in all decisions, and takes a lot of time and patience.
@kensanata @vfrmedia "and endless discussions where consensus is sought in all decisions, and takes a lot of time and patience."
This is the major drawback of consensus.