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We tell each other to self host in order to escape the big corps. But when we die, all the self hosted stuff is going to get wiped and history will only remember the archives that got stored by the big corps. And you know how history is written by the winners. Do we need a way to automatically hand over our sites to archive.org or similar? Or send them disc images? Nobody expects to get run over by a car but some of us will, today. I made no plans for this.

@kensanata "Save page now" on archive.org/web/

However, they automatically index pretty much everything that's truly public. Meaning no archiving of ANY Facebook posts etc., because of the login wall. So no, the corps will not remember you for the rest of history. The Internet Archive will.

@kensanata That said, I hope they have offsite backups of all their petabytes, because if The Big One hits SF, who knows what's going to happen.

@krozruch @raucao @kensanata They should open up torrents so that people can seed the data forever, this also stops them from erasing the past.

@siraben @krozruch @raucao Or you could create a federal mandate: make them part of the Library of Congress and make it a mandate that they save a copy of everything, including copyright exemption. They can stop publishing contested material but they will keep a copy. And people can at least walk on and make their own copies.

@kensanata @siraben @krozruch The only thing that sure as hell does not survive history are current nation states and their institutions. There are many civil organisations, companies, churches, families, who still maintain archives that are vastly larger than any national collection.

Alex Schroeder 🐝 @kensanata

@raucao @siraben @krozruch they don’t all have to end in a fire, though – the successor state might take them, after all.

@kensanata @siraben @krozruch How is that relevant? The risk and dependence aren't worth it. We already have decent civil orgs who are literally doing this right now. With zero of the countless drawbacks of handing control to a central bureaucracy, and all of the benefits of aligned incentives with donors and patrons.

@raucao @siraben @kensanata Yeah, states tend to lose stuff they don't find convenient - even if only temporarily - while keeping enough to make it look plausibly completist. That's the danger with handing this stuff over to a centralised state bureaucracy or state-funded body.