@seanl I know and it makes me sad. And somehow the voters are unable to stop them. It’s a disgrace.

@kensanata The voters don't care AFAICT. Certainly not enough to vote out their own representative.

@seanl Same here or we wouldn’t be following the intellectual property pipers in this country. Pharma über alles. So one side fights to extend copyright, the other to strengthen patents, everybody talks about the jobs saved and nobody talks about our culture diminished.

@kensanata Copyright extension is a classic example of focused benefits always winning out over dispersed interests. And worse, Disney *knows* the cost of Mickey entering the public domain. Nobody can know the value to society of all the stuff that would have otherwise entered the public domains. Which makes projects like the one that lists all the stuff that would have entered the public domain every year under different years' copyright laws really important.

@kaniini Duckducking for what I remembered: http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2013/01/09/why-jrr-tolkiens-son-hates-what-peter-jackson-has-done

@anarchosaurus @kensanata Corporations should not be permitted to hold copyrights. Work-for-hire should be abolished. Instead, copyrights and patents should belong to their creators and corporations should be required to pay royalties/residuals.

@alfred @anarchosaurus @starbreaker I like the GPL and find that it’s a good tool against those who would rob us of our rights and defend their position using copyright. Fight fire with fire. But if we had to give up the GPL in order to get public domain everything else, I think I’d make that deal.

@kensanata @alfred @anarchosaurus @starbreaker Definitely.

But it's worth noting the GPL is not the same type of legal construct proprietary software companies use (though courts have ruled it works as such).

Proprietary software uses contract law to grant a license to use. We're more than satisfied with plain license law.

@kensanata @alfred @anarchosaurus @starbreaker That's why free software doesn't need you to click "I agree".

Also I should've said IANAL.

@alfred @anarchosaurus @kensanata Fuck the capitalists. They've gotten their own way too often for too long.

@anarchosaurus @starbreaker I’m already happy if they get it down again, like down to 14 years.

@RexfordGTugwell Please implement toot editing and improve autocorrect for me.

@kensanata On it!

@kara I could spend hours looking at Jackson’s pictures. It’s a different beast, of course. But if a movie is just like the books, it wasn’t worth the effort. So I’m not opposed to different interpretations and I enjoy the variations. I played on the Elendor MUSH for a while and that was also very unlike the books. The point is not whether anybody likes it but whether we need permission in the first place. And I hate the begging and paying for permission.

@mona @kensanata I'd argue the hobbit movies are a lot bigger argument than the LOTR trilogy, in that regard. Butchered the... everything.

@nautilee @kensanata I have yet to inflict those on myself. I am hoping they are are least entertaining, as a train wreck can be.

@mona @kensanata I mean they're not unwatchable by any means but they're too busy going Hey Look We're LOTR Movies! than standing on their own... and they feel rushed.

@nautilee @kensanata heh. my point is that the _first_ three Jackson LOTR movies were too busy going Hey Look We're LOTR Movies to bother with any sort of fidelity or honor to the text, or even to ordinary workmanlike standards of film direction. they're loud, empty blockbusters

@mona @kensanata my pooint is that The Hobbit films are that but even worse... for a lot of reasons. For example: they wanted to film it at 48 FPS, which meant a lot of effects they used to decent enough effect in the first film wouldn't look right at the higher frame rate which meant more CGI... and they didn't give the CGI teams enough time to work... so there's some scenes you can just tell they didn't have the time to work on (the melting statue scene for the most glaring example). Like holy crap it's bad

@mona booooo!

@kensanata I really would like to know how a semi-competent director of cheap shockers, whose previous film was a turkey called "The Frighteners", managed to score the LOTR job. I'm guessing that Jackson was hired partly because of his weaknesses. He could be trusted to impress some personal flavor on the material, but wasn't in a strong enough position to compete for authorship of the project with the corporate interests who were the real motive force behind turning Tolkien into a shitty action trilogy.

@mona I think it’s great when people get given chances even if they didn’t work their way up the ranks. You don’t like the movies and I do, that’s fine, too. It is a bit tiresome to keep hearing other people say how shitty one’s taste is, though. Let’s wait for some other topic to talk about?

@kensanata of course. *bows* forgive me. I have strong feelings about seeing a childhood source of inspiration handled so...but it is the way of the world, and there are other stories to tell.

@brennen Let’s keep fighting copyright extension without me having to consider how egregious my taste in movies is.

@kensanata :)