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I think the most important lesson to learn from free software is that after people have enough money to put food on the table they're willing to put time into something with no monetary benefit

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Further, this little free software experiment has shown we're more than capable of innovation and creation without profit motive

@jordyd
tired: innovation and creation can happen without the profit motive
wired: only without the profit motive can innovation and creation happen

@a_breakin_glass Honestly though. Patents, copyright, etc, are just holding us back

@jordyd @a_breakin_glass This is why I started buttplug.io too, in order to give people access to their sex toys in the ways they require, outside of manufacturer apps.

There's almost no work happening in open source and sex tech (much of the OS community balks at the idea their software could be used for sex purposes, be it the act itself or even just community), so it's great to see things like @switter opening up and using the resources available to help those in need.

@jordyd @a_breakin_glass I don't know about "etc", I like trademarks and regional designations. I like laws against deceiving consumers. And copyright would be ok if it had a much shorter duration, say, ten years.

Patents can also be awesome. I always cite the Michael Jackson Smooth Criminal shoes patent as patents working as intended: a magician revealing his tricks instead of taking them to the grave.

I don't think we need to completely get rid of copyright and patents, just fix them.

@JordiGH
Well. Did not plan on running into other #emacs people here.

Hi Jordi. :)

@qdot What, there's tons of #emacs people here. An #emacs person brought me here in the first place.

Hi!

Also, I never realised your sex toys were more than a joke.

@JordiGH @qdot OH. Ok. I didn't realize switter still federated with the rest of mastodon. This is my actual mastodon account.

And yup. It's an actual business now even.

@JordiGH @a_breakin_glass @jordyd Regional designations as in the DVD region lock nonsense or something else?

@duck57 @jordyd @a_breakin_glass No, they're also called "appelations of origin" or "geographical indication". It's like how Gruyère cheese can only be called that if it comes from Switzerland. Kind of like trademarks, but not quite the same thing.

It's one of the things that WIPO also regulates, part of the "etc" when people don't really think about what "IP" means.

@jordyd Basic. Income.
First step to real change in society.

@jordyd There's a corollary to this too: a business entity *only* acts for monetary benefit. If software developers can only derive their livelihoods from businesses they'll never build software that benefits people, only software that benefits the businesses in question.

Totally unrelated to the above: I would love to see a free design culture emerge to go hand-in-hand with free software, too.

@jordyd it's why universAL basic income Is what we need.

@jordyd

Libre software and capitalism are not mutually exclusive. In fact a lot of libre software work is done for profit. Too many people look at the free software movement as 'free beer' and miss the real message.

@jordyd exactly!

I think this is a very good counter-example of the general statement saying "people would stop working or innovating if they don't have any incentive to do so".

There always are incentives, but most people think only in _monetary_ incentive.

@jordyd Actually people are willing to put time into art and hobbies even long before they have enough for food. In some museum I once saw a chess set entirely sculpted out of bread, made by prisoners — that really illustrates the point well, I think.