@impiaaa "also we're making up our own new protocol" i see no issues with that, especially when the people doing that have no experience building that kind of thing afaik
From the sound of it, they just mean something like LitePub, a version of ActivityPub with some added semantics. Not sure what the progress is on that protocol, though.
The blog post mentions that some of our mod tools "waste time", I'd be curious to hear the specifics and what alternatives they come up with...
ActivityPub is basically just email with more structured data and less caked-on layers of legacy support.
I'm interpreting this to mean one of two things: either they're designing something with blockchain because they heard that word once and are excited about all the nonsense orbiting around it, or they've got no ideas at all and the project is going to be cancelled when they realize that.
@ben @er1n @impiaaa I don't know all the people mentioned in the project but from what I know I highly doubt a blockchain would be involved. It sounds like the "security" part means OCAPs, which is how e.g. kaniini, who develops LitePub, has been framing it. Personally I am skeptical of what practical benefits OCAPs give, considering that you're still relying on the other server cooperating with the procedure. Which, if that's what you consider insecure...
@gargron @ben @er1n @impiaaa Hello... I think I'm the one that started introducing ocap discourse into the fediverse, though maybe at this point Kaniini has the most attention in terms of the suggested application. Kaniini and I at this point semi-agree on some things: that bearcaps are a viable way to move forward, for instance. However I had objections to the writeup of how litepub suggested using ocaps as not actually being ocap discipline, but we agreed to leave it as an open discussion
@gargron @ben @er1n @impiaaa My main objection, iirc, was that ocaps were framed in such a way as "we'll use this as a way to prevent delegation / sharing of information", whereas one of the ocap tenets has really been that you *can't* mathematically prevent such a thing... so I think that's been a pretty confusing misuse of "ocaps" there. http://www.erights.org/elib/capability/delegations.html
Nonetheless ocaps *are* useful in terms of actual things: providing an authority model in terms of "what actions can be taken".
@gargron @ben @er1n @impiaaa That *is* a security model, and we can do things with it, eg having the authority to view a post or update a post or curate a collection or have the "parent post" publish your reply to the original recipients, etc. Those *are* security concerns, and one of the main complaints about ActivityPub (rightly so) is that "it doesn't specify an authorization model".
ocaps are a way to do that, but what they can't do (bc nothing can) is prohibit sharing information you have
You can prohibit sharing information (as in, request that it not be done, and if you have evidence that it is done, there are consequences) but you can't prevent the act itself. So I don't agree with the use of "ocaps" to describe such a suggestion, because ocap literature strictly states that that's impossible/wrong.
@mike a bit of off-topic: I received this post on my server (because I follow Eugen) and got a bunch of errors in my log because of a remote JSON-LD context URI that my server doesn't know about.
Is there a good reason to use instance-relative context URIs? I don't want to do any networking in my JSON-LD processor for performance reasons so I match URIs against a set of known ones and use a predefined context from cache. This fails miserably in such cases.
@ben if it had goals it certainly did not make them known
@impiaaa they claim Mastodon takes 2GB of memory just to start up, and my instance is currently using less than 200 megabytes
they claim 64 megabytes of memory for 1000 users, which I can only assume means 1000 users who are all logged out
they've also got a screenshot of their "great design" which appears to be a nonfunctional mockup, but for some reason the posts are not in chronological order and also every single one of the mocked-up posts is more than 2 months old
this site is written with to much emotions throwed against others and it reads like there is nothing except the idea to get some money.
furthermore this licence is kinda strange and because of risks with possible law problems no serious domain owner will accept it for a service he is personally responsible for.
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