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OK. Back to integrating the Zenodo API onto Open Context.

Another question for the set.

Shall I use EZID to mint ARK identifiers for all 1.5 million URIs managed by OC? @paregorios will Pleiades plan on minting persistent IDs for all Pleiades entities or you happy with DOIs for data dumps, and not bother with persistent IDs for more granular data?

I'm just trying to judge what is a good use of my time, and what's broadly useful.

(cc @steko)

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@ekansa

Since @pleiades mints cool https URIs for our place, name, location, and connection resources, I'm knee-jerk disinclined to create multiple IDs for the same things in other namespaces. Does that make me a bad person?

@steko

@paregorios @steko @pleiades

No. I guess we're all trying to guess what the future will bring. I'm a little worried about identifier soup, but I want people to be able to formally cite a specific record. It seems then that some sort of persistent ID scheme, backed by institutions beyond our own, is needed?

@ekansa

OK, so I can see the resiliency advantage in third-party IDs. I guess I'd need to read up on ARKs and other options, if any.

@pleiades @steko

@paregorios @steko @pleiades

I like ARKs. Cheap, easy to mint. PeriodO uses them.

Now, thanks to @ekansa, I'm #reading:

“Archival Resource Key (ARK) Identifiers.” N2T.net: Resolver: Names -> Things. Accessed May 2, 2018. n2t.net/e/ark_ids.html.

Zotero: zotero.org/users/465/items/J9I

To get up to speed on #ARKs so I can consider better whether we should start using them for resources in @pleiades in addition to the #CoolURIs we already mint ourselves.

@steko

@paregorios @steko @pleiades

Yet another rabbit hole to fall into.

John Kunze with CDL is a key architect of NOIDs, and he has lots to say about identifiers. Like everything else important, there is much to this subject.

@ekansa @paregorios what does a typical OC URI look like? I think "cool URIs" don't need an additional layer of persistence, unless 1) you've got a separate archival resource, perhaps for long term preservation 2) the additional PID is transparent, e.g. it has a different prefix than the HTTP base URL, but keeps the same suffix identifier.

Makes sense?

@steko @paregorios

Here's a typical URI:
opencontext.org/media/48fb6172

I also have an ARK id for it:
n2t.net/ark:/28722/k2q244j7j

The JSON-LD representation (opencontext.org/media/48fb6172) says "owl:sameAs" for the ARK id.

I just want to maximize the probability that someone can look up the citation to an OC record over the years.

@steko @paregorios
@aejolene
@sebhth

What do you all think? Will it help, harm, or "meh" to add ARK identifiers to all our URI identified data?

@ekansa

My guess is that if you have the personal/technical/resource bandwidth to do the work (ongoing basis?), then it's probably good resiliency.

@sebhth @aejolene @steko

@paregorios @steko @aejolene @sebhth

The effort is minimal, because I can script it. Getting ARKs from EZID just requires API calls.

So, ok, I'll get on it.

@steko

Because otherwise undigital-aware faculty uncritically absorbed the publishing-industry propaganda about DOIs and liked that there was nothing they needed to do for their journal articles to acquire them?

@sebhth @aejolene @ekansa

@paregorios @aejolene @sebhth @steko

I think Tom called it. Also DOIs get more indexing in different discovery and metrics (including Altmetrics).

EZID supports minting 1 million ARKs / year at $1500 / year service fee.

@ekansa @paregorios @aejolene @sebhth btw, Altmetrics is part of Digital Science which is part of the Holtzbrinck Publishing Group holtzbrinck.com/