(4 of n) My email closed with:

Please don't be complicit in this. I don't want a life time of memories of you erased by "My uncle supported ethic cleansing and the abduction of children". You are better than this.


(5 of n): My uncle responded with:

Would you like the definition of ILLEGAL?

"Stay in Mexico and there is no problem right?

Cross into USA and get separated.


Build a huge wall and no separation.

Cross into USA and mega-separation



your bama did catch and release - worthless idiot allowed MS 13 in.

Remember all the angle parents - they are permantly separate by ILLEGALS

No more of this leftist propaganda."

(6 of n): I wrote back to my uncle:

Four year old children are being abducted from their families for the misdemeanor crime of being with parents who crossed the border without documentation?

And that justifies destroying these families forever? Many of these children will never be reunited with their families.

Why are you defending this?

(7 of n): My uncle responded with:

"Please stop

What about all the aborted babies that you demonorats enthusiastically cheer to their death

Selective outrage over ILLEGALS

No outrage over babies RIPPED from a womb - give me a break

Please stop

I don't want to hear your pious ranting while demonorats support abortion

Im just going to delete any more from you until you denounce abortion"

(8 of n): The whole exchange with my uncle ended with my response:

I will be happy to discuss abortion (again) elsewhere.

We must put a sharper point on this:

The federal government has sentenced children to an entire lifetime without their parents...

...for a misdemeanor they didn’t commit.

If you want to block me and break off all contact with me, I can't and won't stop you.

Sorry to bother you, but this whole thing is awful beyond words.



(9 of n): Sorry to repeat my uncle's vile responses here.

But this whole exchange made something crystal clear to me. We're in a "pre-genocidal" moment.

My uncle has been sufficiently brainwashed to accept any horror or level of violence that right wing media demands that he accepts.

What can we do about this?

I don't think there's much we can do accept keep protesting and start to accept they will come for the rest of us next. I had it with a friend who's against immigration, the next day I wasn't sure what to do or think. But we keep going, because if we compromise our values everything is lost.

Some people you reach out to will get the message and will have the courage. All you can do is keep reaching out with a modicum of respect. Even if they give you none. You are on the right side of history and the right side of humanity

NP we all need the encouragement to keep going and know we aren't completely wrong, or course that's all à matter of opinion. But I think having compassion for others is part of being a human being. Cooperation is what kick-started bits of civilisation.

@ekansa I think you're right about that. Some people are sufficiently brainwashed by the media that they can no longer see glaring injustices happening right in front of them.

If you think it's worth it you could continue talking with your uncle about this. His defensive commends suggest that he's trying to protect his carefully internalized media narrative from the impingement of reality.

Statism and the belief in sacrosanct borders and unquestionable laws does a lot of damage to some people's minds.

I don't know. Short term: vote and volunteer. Long term: 1) people are hurting and will blame others for it. Fix that. 2) Reduce segregation. Integration is key.

The best I have for now.

@marshdrifter Yes. And march and demonstrate to make clear to at least some public officials (and people with guns) that human rights matter.

Also (and not sure if it will work): less logos and ethos in the arguments. More pathos. Make it personal.


We need more stories about people who have had their kids abducted, and from the kids themselves. Pictures matter too.

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