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Thank god, school ends today!!
@ciaby
Ha. No, just the school year. So I can finally focus on my gdpr job
@dataKnightmare
Suing everyone for violations? That's nice of you :)
BTW, you're coming to hackmeeting, right?
Suing everyone for violations? That's nice of you :)
BTW, you're coming to hackmeeting, right?
@ciaby
No, mostly consulting on how to comply, plus the odd audit.
And Yes, will surely make lots of friends with my speech ... Or maybe not
@dataKnightmare
Don't worry, making enemies at hackmeeting is a rite of passage. If you don't have any, you're doing something wrong 😅
Don't worry, making enemies at hackmeeting is a rite of passage. If you don't have any, you're doing something wrong 😅
@ciaby @dataknightmare Or maybe you're doing something right?
@pettter
By not having enemies? I don't know, I can't really agree with every person I meet. Radical ideas are controversial by definition.
@dataKnightmare
By not having enemies? I don't know, I can't really agree with every person I meet. Radical ideas are controversial by definition.
@dataKnightmare
@ciaby @dataknightmare You can disagree without making enemies.
@ciaby @dataknightmare True enough, but I would argue that "doing it right" more often involves _not_ making enemies than the opposite.
Explaining your points, opinions, etc. while making people who disagree not see themselves as your _enemies_, but as collaborators or colleagues with differing opinions.
Of course, there are exceptions, but at a hackmeeting, you would hope to have a reasonable enough audience and reasonable enough things to talk about that enemy-making is kept to a minimum.
Explaining your points, opinions, etc. while making people who disagree not see themselves as your _enemies_, but as collaborators or colleagues with differing opinions.
Of course, there are exceptions, but at a hackmeeting, you would hope to have a reasonable enough audience and reasonable enough things to talk about that enemy-making is kept to a minimum.
@pettter
I wish I could agree with you on this point, and I do actually, but "reasonable" in this context doesn't really apply to the Italian hackmeeting.
I find that the people who pride themselves on being reasonable are the ones who don't really go much outside of their bubble, and in doing that they build a vision of reality where everyone agrees with them. Show them a different opinion and everything falls apart.
We, as hackers, are no more or less reasonable than any other social group. A bit less, in my personal experience.
@dataKnightmare
I wish I could agree with you on this point, and I do actually, but "reasonable" in this context doesn't really apply to the Italian hackmeeting.
I find that the people who pride themselves on being reasonable are the ones who don't really go much outside of their bubble, and in doing that they build a vision of reality where everyone agrees with them. Show them a different opinion and everything falls apart.
We, as hackers, are no more or less reasonable than any other social group. A bit less, in my personal experience.
@dataKnightmare
@ciaby @dataknightmare Do you have any particular issues that you're thinking of?
@pettter @dataKnightmare
Free Software and everything GPL-related is one pain point. Anything non-GPL (BSD, Apache, MIT) is automatically labelled "the enemy" (from the GNU people).
Politics in hacker circles can be a hard topic, which can go from "you're a bloody capitalist" to "I don't care about politics, it's all shit anyway", and even having a discussion is risky.
What else? Many of the hacking communities I know are 90% white, male, heterosexual. Discussions about inclusion are labelled as "not related to hacking". Discussions about ethics are hard too...
Free Software and everything GPL-related is one pain point. Anything non-GPL (BSD, Apache, MIT) is automatically labelled "the enemy" (from the GNU people).
Politics in hacker circles can be a hard topic, which can go from "you're a bloody capitalist" to "I don't care about politics, it's all shit anyway", and even having a discussion is risky.
What else? Many of the hacking communities I know are 90% white, male, heterosexual. Discussions about inclusion are labelled as "not related to hacking". Discussions about ethics are hard too...
@ciaby @dataknightmare I'm "GNU people", and I don't consider BSD/Apache/MIT as "the enemy", though I think that in general, the GPL is the preferrable license.
Yes, discussions can absolutely be hard, and you'll absolutely get pushback, especially in entrenched communities. Making _enemies_ is sometimes unavoidable, but it is seldom a sign of "doing the right thing" in and of itself.
Yes, discussions can absolutely be hard, and you'll absolutely get pushback, especially in entrenched communities. Making _enemies_ is sometimes unavoidable, but it is seldom a sign of "doing the right thing" in and of itself.
Forever? ;)