Christopher Lemmer Webber @cwebber@octodon.social

@deadsuperhero I agree it would be nice. I just don't think that given my limited cycles it's the right thing for me to focus my energy on to help the fediverse right now. Maybe that sounds shitty, but I'm unfortunately a finite resource. ;P I'm happy to help others get GMG go support AP btw!

But I'd like to come back to it and make it happen in MediaGoblin's existing codebase, or if Spritely is MediaGoblin 2.0, move existing instances over to Spritely. But we'll see.

@mangeurdenuage I'll elaborate, but only because you said "please".

> Yes and ?
> It's a mistake people making mistake can be fun.
You said "yes, and?" to making fun of women organizing. It looks like categorically like misogynistic skepticism that women can successfully organize.

>> and the second looks like it's making fun of jewish noses.
> And ?
Does it need elaboration? Right now when literal nazis are being normalized again?

That's as much elaboration as I'm giving.

@deadsuperhero @kibi Also, *is* it desperately needed? One of the reasons I shifted to Spritely is because other folks (Funkwhale, PixelFed, PeerTube) were covering MediaGoblin's domain... and well too! (Though none of them are doing "all the media types" like MediaGoblin was, but I can't for the life of me figure out why they wouldn't... @Chocobozzz, when are you gonna wise up and add multiple media types support to PeerTube? ;))

@deadsuperhero @kibi I know, I know. I've gone through plenty of mental anguish over how to spend the time I have for this, and it's easy for me to self-doubt that, and I don't blame anyone giving me shit for it

but I have my reasons

@deadsuperhero @kibi I'm not working on MediaGoblin's current-mediagoblin codebase right now so I can't say ;)

My whole spare time focus is spent on MediaGoblin TNG (aka Spritely)

@mangeurdenuage @lain @phoe @kaniini thanks for proving my point buddy

@deadsuperhero @kibi just wait till Spritely becomes un-vaporware and I either do activitypub completely wrong in the greatest source of irony ever OR I do everything completely right but start doing things that other "real world" implementations don't support!

@gdkar @sireebob @shadow8t4 @hector I answered that already https://octodon.social/@cwebber/100239483179536568

@aidalgol @kaniini @lain fwiw I don't agree with project management and community management being more important than code... nor the reverse! A successful and healthy FOSS project of significant project needs *both*

@sireebob @shadow8t4 @hector Mastodon does have one https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md

and so do the projects that I've interacted with the most over time (Guix and MediaGoblin come to mind, and both have enforced their CoC... I was the actual enforcer in the latter, but I've always tried to resolve things socially as a first step)

@sireebob @shadow8t4 @hector well I was actually talking about the software project, but sure, flagship instance too

@pea @lain @kaniini @phoe not what I see when I read them. The first one looks like it's making fun of women organizing together, and the second looks like it's making fun of jewish noses.

And maybe you could make the argument that your interpretation is correct, but it's very hard to distinguish between ironic-social-commentary-meta-bigotry and actual-bigotry, *especially* in this era.

@aidalgol @kaniini @lain

- Mastodon starts moving from OStatus to ActivityPub. Some of the squabbling spills over into that. Awkward
- Pleroma begins using ActivityPub very actively, and that's when https://octodon.social/@cwebber/100239388817712633 begins to apply IMO

(3/3)

Anyway, that's my own personal interpretation and read of that history...

@aidalgol @kaniini @lain

- many chan'ish alt-right folks kicked off of twitter, start to move to GNU Social instances. (Plenty of GNU Social instances not happy with this notably!)
- Mastodon comes along, supports OStatus (GNU Social's protocol)
- leftie, largely LGBT folks *also* leave Twitter, for the opposite reason! Many flock to Mastodon.
- Unsurprisingly, plenty of folks start to interpret this as GNU Social vs Mastodon as alt-right vs left, which is unfortunate

(2/...3?)

@aidalgol @kaniini @lain Urgh, no I don't know of a good writeup, but here's the tl;wh (too long; wasn't here):

- StatusNet written and the base of most of GNU Social (and generally written and had a community that was very lefty, but occasionally left-libertarian) but StatusNet closes shop. GNU Social is the continuation.
- "chan culture", originally jokingly problematic (arguably joking doesn't make it less racist or sexist), becomes "ha ha only completely serious"

(1/2)

@phoe @kaniini well.. I've subscribed to @lain and unsubscribed again before a few times, and looking at their timeline, stuff like https://pleroma.soykaf.com/objects/a7213df9-c372-4662-b466-c76d6ac7d201 and https://pleroma.soykaf.com/objects/b9341afb-6f63-47da-aa4f-77f7df00afe4 is why, and probably is why people get that impression.

(Lain, sorry to talk about you in the third person as if you aren't here. But consider that feedback I guess?)

@deadsuperhero @kaniini @lain fwiw I'm glad Pleroma exists and I hope that:

a) development continues and is great
b) a diverse set of users adopt it

does Pleroma have a code of conduct btw? Might send (part of) the right message to adopt one

@deadsuperhero @kaniini I'm not making a judgement call, just giving my analysis

also I don't know how @lain will feel about being labeled "the fediverse's class clown" but I suspect they won't deny it ;)