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Fun fact: when I was a freshman in college I thought my most useful contribution to free software (I was not a programmer at the time) would be to make a webcomic about two people mod'ing their house and it turning it into what we would now call a "hackerspace" (that term didn't exist then) where the whole house was slowly automated (IoT didn't exist then either). I never finished it or even got what we would call "far" at all.

But you can still find it... not that it's good...

@cwebber you might be interested in this little project of a friend of mine: glider.ink/

@rysiek I guess since you linked your thing, I'll link my awful unfinished comic lingocomic.com/comic.php?index

The one thing I'm proud of about it was the level of experimentation I was doing at the time in each page. It did influence a lot of my future artwork and experiments.

Part of the reason I never finished it was "imposter syndrome" though I didn't know the term at the time. I was afraid I didn't understand the tech I was describing enough. The upside is I started learning more...

@rysiek But really, for *years* I thought I would come back to it and this would be my major life's work.

Time changes you...

@rysiek Also I'm super, super embarassed to see I had an *NC* license at the time. Gak!

@Shamar @cwebber

The problem with the NC is that it's counter-productive and does not achieve what artists want it to achieve.

It does nothing to stop people who do not care about licensing from "stealing" your work.

OTOH it stops people who feel strongly about licensing from using your work, making derivatives, making it popular.

It's terribly vague -- what does it even mean? If I use this CC By-NC picture in a presentation funded by a grant, is that "commercial"?

CC By-SA is way better.

@rysiek @Shamar Nobody agrees on what "noncommercial" means, and you will either block uses you want or be surprised to hear that others consider uses you feel should be prohibited they believe are allowed. Worse yet: noncommercial licenses don't compose. What happens when 100 entities later contribute to a noncommercial license, if they hope to enforce it as a revenue stream?

"noncommercial" licenses always fail.

@rysiek @Shamar @cwebber Hi. CC Metal podcast-person here.

NC is great for metal bands because it emulates the tape-trading of the early years of metal. But it also alleviates the legal pressures that are involved with non-consensual distribution of content.

And a lot of metal musicians do not want derivatives. Check the licenses on Open Metalcast for how many folks are OK with SA vs ND.

Just clarifying by my own conversations with artists.

(going back into the ether).

@craigmaloney @rysiek @Shamar @cwebber NC, as with any turnkey license, is a statement of intent. "I'm letting you use this for free unless X." If you want X, contact the licensor and ask.

(I used to do this quite a lot with photography. NC but if nearly anyone contacted me with, e.g., "our group wants to use this in a fund-raising presentation for Y" then of course I'd grant a license. But there were a few projects I didn't want my work on.)

@Shamar @jond @craigmaloney @rysiek @cwebber

And don't feel locked into the license you choose. You can always change it later, and if you do choose something like an NC license, you can always give another entity a one-time license for commercial work.

So if you see something you want to use, but don't like the license terms, feel free to ask the creator. Just be ready to accept whatever answer they give you (like "no" .)

@Shamar @rysiek I'm embarassed because my comic doesn't live up to a quality I would want it to have if I worked on it today. That and the "two male characters" comic antipattern. What can I say... I was young and inexperienced.

Regarding embarassment of noncommercial licenses, I later went on to become a vocal anti-NC advocate, even when I later worked at Creative Commons

@clacke @cwebber @Shamar that is true, but the problem is that the connotations do not reflect the reality of how NC works and what it achieves...

@cwebber @rysiek

You cannot imagine how much I understand what you mean.

For years I've found people coming with new buzzwords just to discover they were obvious things I didn't cared to give a name! 😂

@cwebber @rysiek
IMO the comic is very good. Are you saying that you were a non-tech person back then when you drew it? That's hard to believe. The comic reflects geeks' behaviour so well...

@rysiek @cwebber

> I think that #hacker #values - the hacker #ethos - are what we need in our #culture.

I've never been in a CCC, probably because I'm something between Robert (but with 3 daughters) and Suzanne (but male).

However the line I quoted is something I believe deeply.

Looking forward for more content!

@rysiek For some reason, I now want a bunch of soviet synths… :thaenkin: @cwebber

@jasondclinton @rysiek @cwebber
uh, I get it that some people might not like ESR, but that doesn't mean everything he writes is bad...

IMO the archetypes he describes are interesting. Can't speak of their accuaracy, because I haven't met enough hackers, but I've seen some Algorithmicists and Castellans, so so far it seems to make sense.

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