ActivityPub was basically 3 years of my life, and there were points were I wasn't sure if the time and energy I was spending on it was worth it. I'm sure it was today. Thank you everyone who participated in the standards process, have implemented... or are going to implement! You made it all worth it!
It's also worth saying: ActivityPub wouldn't have made it to W3C Recommendation without Mastodon's community. About 8 months or so ago, I was in despair because it seemed clear that we wouldn't have enough time to wrap up the work that needed to be done in time to make it through the process before the group's charter ran out. Mastodon's interest in AP directly lead to an extension and a renew of enthusiasm.
Thank you everyone. It means a lot to me.
@cwebber I really want to implement it just to understand it more.
I think Google or Microsoft (!!) would be more likely to participate in ActivityPub stuff at this point, because they're more nervous about not having really a big inroads in the social networking scene these days afaict, and maybe AP could help them
@cwebber @alcinnz @datatitian Unless Facebook, Twitter, and Google change their core business models, their adoption of ActivityPub would be for one of two purposes: either (a) embrace and extend (with proprietary extensions. e.g., Google: AOSP and Google Play Services) or (b) PR.
What excites me about ActivityPub is the potential it holds for independent alternatives to Google, Facebook, and Twitter to emerge with completely different business models (including, eg., commons-funded & coop).
@aral @cwebber @alcinnz @datatitian I would be greatly concerned about corporations' penchant for cooption as a tactic to eliminate any kind of existential threat. I think our desire for independence would be incompatible with their presence. Also from a standpoint of if Twitter say, made an ActivityPub instance, they would have no moral or ethical principles to run it well, and I wouldn't let my instance federate with it much like I don't let it federate with a fascist cesspool instance.
@dzuk @aral @cwebber @alcinnz
Trying to loop everyone back in and be more clear post coffee.
My point is not that FB, burb, IG, et c. would actually change their ways, but that the availability of an open standard will, in time, expose them as not websites that help people connect outwards but websites that aim to trap people in. In a word: antisocial
For that, I am grateful for Christopher's incredible work
@datatitian @aral @cwebber @alcinnz @rysiek @jbond I understand that perspective, but I don't think so. Corporations (especially large ones) have a lot of resources invested in manipulating public opinion (in other words; PR) and any open protocol they use will simply be a functional or PR move to serve ulterior motives. It's like Android claiming to be open source.
One of the, tricky (?) bits, with ActivityStreams/ActivityPub, like a lot of "specifications" where there is room for opinion. Even if more people started implementing it, there would still likely be a lot of work translating between interpretations :3
I guess device manufacturers benefit by being able to customize it easier (which is a FOSS selling point), but Google now discourages them from going that route. And besides it was never fully opensource, which is what we want to achieve.
@Wolf480pl @datatitian @dzuk @aral @cwebber @rysiek @jbond To be clear I viciously agree with all of you, I have no love for Google, Facebook, et al. The whole reason I want them to implement AP is to make it easier to compete against them. But for those reasons they won't.
Also thank you @aral & @cwebber, your work is a great boon to humanity. And @Wolf480pl I'd love to have those images to share.
@alcinnz @dzuk @aral @cwebber @rysiek @jbond @aral
I was not making an offer to share such images (I don't have any), sorry if it sounded like that. I was just trying to rephrase what I think @datatitian meant. I would also love to have such screenshots, and if I had them, I'd post them all over the internet.