RMS pulls a serious power move (read: dick move), unilaterally appointing a maintainer to Guile without consulting the other co-maintainers or community, because the current co-maintainers disagree with him on governance

It's also worth reading @dthompson's followup here

David's experience is also mine; there's a reason I dropped my association as a "GNU hacker", which used to be the way I identified myself for some time.

For many people, I'm sure these things seem to be shocking, as if all of this is happening at once. I'm shocked by how fast things have devolved, but not the way they are, because I already saw and tried to change for years how bad it was until I gave up.

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Guile and Guix are two of the nicest places to be in GNU currently, and quite frankly some of the most interesting; as far as relevance of GNU as an organization that does new and interesting things, there's only a small handful of projects that I really feel excited about the developments of. (GNU in its early days, was a very innovative project, but after some time I think stopped putting effort there.)

If there's a future to hope for in GNU, its path forward is lead by those projects.

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Apparently mark has now said that he misunderstood, and was asked if he wanted to be appointed co-maintainer, but the action had not actually occured.

I still find it strange, but that's definitely less of an extreme action than what I had understood previously.

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I think of them as 'the new GNU', and have described it as such to others.


The forked project umbrella should be called ING - Inclusive Not GNU.


#GNU #FreeSW

GNU/FSF shit 

@cwebber I cannot read responses, I start to boil. Spineless, disgusting techbroish abuse defenders.
We need something else than GNU. it's dead as an "operating system" project for a long time and association is a pain rather than benefit.

@charlag @cwebber What's particularly weird is the calls for keeping non-free-software politics out of GNU.

Because that is literally one of the reasons people give for why RMS should step down as leader of GNU!

@cwebber @dthompson

Smell like there are several power games at work in #GNU and in #Guile right now.

And since I've followed all the drama around #RMS' mail and I've seen how a crowd of people lynched him for what he SAID, I can't say I'm shocked by this reaction from Andy.

I've read his words before and I see how he is trying to profit as much as possible from the shitstorm that is on #Stallman right now.

@Shamar @cwebber so, uh, we're with Andy on this. if anyone is power hungry here, it's rms. we just want rms held accountable for his poor leadership.


I noticed you are with Andy.

That's why I replied to @cwebber

I don't know #RMS personally and I disagree with him on MANY MANY things. Even when we talk about #FreeSoftware I think he is too moderate (and I'm a catholic Christian so you might guess by yourselves on how many other things I deeply disagree with him! 😉).

But the arguments of Andy are poor. As the arguments of the crowd that got is head at #FSF.

#Software is a form of expression, so software #freedom IS freedom of expression.

Andy joined the crowd that lynched #Stallman for what he WROTE (conveniently misreading it, to be precise).

If you know that Stallman did any crime towards women, you have only ONE thing to do: denounce him and provide evidence to the police.

Each day you delay his trial is a day more you are accomplices of his crimes.

I'm very serious on this.
There is nothing else to do when you face a crime.

If RMS did any crime, denounce him.

Otherwise, please, stop this.

@Shamar @dthompson @cwebber

This isn't a criminal procceding. It's a crisis of organizational leadership.

Learn the difference.

#RMS is no leader; he's a despotic dictator and cult leader. He has done far more harm to his movement than good.


Yeah #RMS has this bad attitude with #opensource champions like those multinational corporations that control the #narrative of the #Web (and what you think)!

As for "more harm than good" it's a ridiculous statement: while I think he got priorities wrong with #FreeSoftware, there would be no #Linux without #GNU. And there would be no #GNU without #Stallman.

You are right this isn't a criminal proceeding so either he didn't do any crime (and those who lynched him violated his human rights as stated by article 18, 19 and 12, just to gain power) or he is (and all people who didn't denounced him are complicit)

@dthompson @cwebber

@Shamar @dthompson @cwebber there are several mistakes in what you write here.

You misapply the term "lynch" for what happened to rms. I hope you're aware enough of the last 50 years of US racial oppression that I don't have to be more verbose, but we can have that educational discussion if you'd like.

It's not accurate to state that rms merely spoke and those words are what he's seeing the consequences of. Rather, he's behaved in ways that are a misuse of power, for decades. His recent active defense of indefensible positions and individuals is merely the latest and most visible of those. All he had to do to avoid this current outcry was to heed the warnings of the many people who tried to counsel him. I've read personal accounts by at least 3 people who repeatedly told rms that his choices to act (including choosing to weigh in on discussions outside the purview of his work, using his position of social power due to the importance of GNU), was harmful to free software. 1/2

@Shamar @dthompson @cwebber
... rms chose to continue his crusades and thereby alienated dozens of folks, needlessly, who would otherwise have been productive members of the free software community.

It's the damage that rms has done over decades, through his speech and his direct actions, despite being counseled by folks he should have respected, that has led to this consequence of rms being removed from his positions of power.

Accountability for one's own actions is if anything the opposite of lynching.

long, RMS lynching, free software, free speech 

long, RMS lynching, free software, free speech 

long, RMS lynching, free software, free speech 

long, RMS lynching, free software, free speech 

The difference between consequences and lynching 

Why RMS was actually lynched. 

Why RMS was actually lynched. 

Why RMS was actually lynched. 

Why RMS was actually lynched. 


If you want to retreat I'm fine with it. 😉

But I don't see how exactly #RMS would have betrayed public trust.

Surely, many want to remove him since years because he is way harder to manipulate through social networks than a lynching mob. I guess that many at #GAFAM are high fiveing right now.

But if I ask you "what did he do exactly?" and you retreat instead of answering the question, you show pretty well how thin are his allegations.

Did Stallman tried to spread proprietary software? Not to my knowledge!

So how exactly did he betrayed #FreeSoftware?

He resisted to #OpenSource's #conformism that want to manage high skilled volunteers like if they were employed at an #US based corporation!

You are failing to see (or pretending to) that #GNU and Free Software are international movements and US corps have no right to impose their workplace hypocrisy.

So what?
This isn't a rethorical question.
Can you answer with precise allegations that are not crimes?







What exactly do you mean by "negative image of GNU"?

Are you talking about the lack of overall technical vision about the #GNU system or about something else?

@dthompson @cwebber

if a free software project can't even be nice to women, it doesn't deserve to exist 

@cwebber sorry, but the dick move is spreading lies, and what's been done to Stallman in name of virtue signalling.

Stallman did not defend Epstein, who he called a serial rapist, but someone who was his *dead* friend, whom the court did not find guilty.





@cwebber I think all that's left to do here is for the other maintainers to fork the project away from GNU. Preferably as loudly as possible.

It's strange to hear that maintainers of free software projects could be simply "appointed" like this, and regardless of the fact that it is (allegedly) RMS, it sounds strange in itself and shows there is a problem. What does it mean in practice? Commit access?

If Mark "appointed" himself, that is even more strange.

I thought it was the sole responsibility of the current maintainers.

@cwebber gee, it's like there are reasons besides the Epstein commentary to get him out of there

Great, another thing I have to never use because it has RMS's stank on it.


I’m reminded of a talk I saw (on video) some years back by the maintainers of subversion back when it was dominant. The gist was that the community was the important part of a FOSS project and needed to be protected. Part of that was kicking out troublesome members. Interestingly, project founders are often in this category.

Anyway, if the current (former?) co-maintainers forked the code, I’m betting the community would follow them.

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