@LienRag @cwebber @conservancy

For context, Stallman supports sleeping with underaged people to a point where he would stand up for a convicted pedophile.

https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/9ke3ke/famed-computer-scientist-richard-stallman-described-epstein-victims-as-entirely-willing

@trevdev @cwebber @conservancy

That is a very biased and dishonest way of presenting what rms said...
I really have no idea whether rms is defending some shady intent by disguising it behind a defense of intellectual honesty or if he is as usual defending intellectual honesty even when it applies to shady people or behavior, but if someone claims to have seen the truth concerning this point, this someone needs to make a clear argumentation for it, not allusions and slander.

@LienRag @cwebber @conservancy take what you will from supporting people who would empathize with underage sex trafficking. It is what it is.

@trevdev @LienRag @conservancy We could really debate and piece apart the particular statement that rms made about this, but I'm not interested in that. What I'm more interested in is that this is a pattern of behavior, and free software advocates are consistently being put in a difficult spot by situations like this coming up over and over again.

Given how the movement has accepted historically rms being at the center, that makes our lives consistently difficult.

@cwebber It really shouldn't be that hard to acknowledge both that RMS was involved in a movement getting where it is (the past isn't subject to change), and that his future involvement is incompatible with a movement's present values.

@octet33 I think for any one person to do, that's quite easy, yes. But there are many who won't do that, and they're making life difficult, I think might be what @cwebber was saying.

(That first person to @ you Chris, wow; concern troll :O)

@emsenn Right. people are horrible. I really should be better at remembering.

@cwebber @trevdev @conservancy

That is a valid position (or at least, an argumented one).
Why isn't it the one that was made?

@trevdev

And who empathizes with underage sex trafficking here?
If you say that rms does, the onus is on you to explain why you say that, because he clearly never said it himself.

Jewish tradition consider slander as evil as murder AFAIK, and it seems a quite legitimate attitude to me.

@LienRag sorry bud. I haven't got time to do your work for you. If you have time to argue in an echo chamber, you have time to look up the precedent and the topic at hand and draw your own conclusions. There's not much sense in debating mine

@LienRag @trevdev no, the onus is on RMS to either recant a long series of dubious comments on sexuality, or to step down.

@LienRag

Regardless of interpretation of RMS's exact words, I don't think there's any intellectual *dis*honesty going on here, which you have unintentionally (or intentionally) implied.

@trevdev @cwebber @conservancy

@cj

Well, this at least https://mastodon.technology/@trevdev/102802979987798373 is pure slander...