every time someone goes "irc was so good it's sad to see it get replaced" i laugh into madness a little

do i really have to remind you how shitty and dangerously unusable it is. authoritative point i use it everyday

the primary way to make it bearable is to run an irc client on a server and that should give you a little hint that something is fucked up

when you leave denial that's a monthly fee, a machine to maintain, and sysadmin skills required just to join a chatroom in decent conditions

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@CobaltVelvet That's also a hint though as to how peoples' interfaces with machines have changed.

At one point, people tended to run one machine, a desktop, and:

a) it was more acceptable to both hop offline and online. Now there's more expectation to be Very Online
b) that desktop could be connected all the time, but you weren't always connected to it


a) people have multiple devices, want to access from each
b) the expectation to be Very Online has increased

@CobaltVelvet I'll note that XMPP Multi User Chat provides most of the things people claim that IRC is missing, but it never became as popular; I'd argue that's primary for interface reasons, since back in the day IM applications kind of shoehorned in chatroom type interfaces into their one-on-one chat interfaces and it didn't feel right

Some more thoughts: librelounge.org/episodes/episo

@CobaltVelvet I look forward to the day where everyone has one Very Personal Computer that they control that they always use, which is Very Online, and is connected to their body at (almost) all times. That could reduce the need for device synchronization without the need for an intermediate stateful server.

@cwebber good but also meh in the way that every thing is then linked to every one with low latency and that has so many privacy and reliability implications

having a small buffer on the server is good

but really that's describing pop3 with hypothetically non-shitty clients that can loosely sync between devices


@CobaltVelvet Nothing says you can't have intermediate servers doing store-and-forward. That's common in p2p networks which preserve anonymity.

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