@rin Yeah. I find it interesting that some people are now praising the network that was denying service to sex workers.

@sean @rin@patch.cx In my view, there's no doubt that *Cloudflare should not have this power*, and the sex workers example is a good example of it.

However, as in terms of the power being used, it's reasonable for people to react differently to sex workers being taken offline vs a place where mass shooters are being radicalized towards doing, well, mass shooting.

But hopefully you can take a look at both and say, "well, even if I approve of this one usage of this power, they shouldn't have it."


@sean On top of that, through the articles that have come out about this, Cloudflare has more or less said that yes, they are snooping traffic in the interest of helping police uncover things like this.

And that should be a big ol' warning flag, because our police state hasn't had a history of stopping white nationalists, but it has had a history of... I'll let you finish that.

So hopefully peoples' takeaway isn't that "Cloudflare is good now", though I don't think that's most reactions here.

@cwebber our "police state" crushed the Klan in the 60s. President Johnson directed J Edgar Hoover to go after them as he did communists and the FBI delivered. Ironically it was part of COINTELPRO. No reason we can't use similar methods today against white supremacists

@jboverf My response to the "police state" stuff is actually very similar to my response to the Cloudflare stuff: there are some actions I approve of with the use of that power, though I still find the wielding of that much power to be problematic, and we can see many other bad uses alongside a few good

@cwebber oh totally agree - just pointing out that law enforcement in fact has gone after white supremacists in the past

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