Announcing ActivityPub Conf 2019! September 7th & 8th in Prague, immediately following Rebooting Web of Trust. https://dustycloud.org/blog/activitypub-conf-2019/
Space is limited, see post for details. We are also soliciting talks.
Hope to see you there!
@cwebber really glad this is happening *but why oh why* are you using a gmail account for managing this event?
@liaizon Yeah there's some irony there, but it was the easiest thing to coordinate on for the multiple people that needed access to the account, and we were running out of time.
@cwebber but thats the exact problem we are trying to fight against tho, might as well just organize the event on facebook right, the easiest
@liaizon The irony is noted and obvious. FWIW I think hosting the event on facebook would be a bit more ironic. :P
SMTP at least is federated.
@liaizon I know. But I'm not the only (or main) person coordinating. Everything is happening fast and our resources are very, very small and entirely volunteer-driven.
Even I have to make do with the best I can to work with people where they're at, and it's not just me coordinating this. Sometimes we have to work to make the next step easier.
@emsenn not mad just think we should be aware that our use of things like google services publicly in this way has an effect of lessening the sincerity of a movement. using a gmail account is not any easier here then using a disroot or riseup account so its really of very little benefit in this case. I would actually have less to argue about if they had posted a facebook event since its still such a huge way people find out about things.
@liaizon I think you're misunderstanding why it was done - it was done to enable multiple event coordinators, who are non-technical, to check the account.
Making ANY account is 100% harder than "go to your current email webpage and click yoru name and type this one instead"
@emsenn having multiple people log into / share the login credentials of an already hosted email address on non hostile territory like disroot or riseup is definitely in the wheelhouse of non technical people helping organize an event. if that is too complicated how are they going to be able to help with an event like this?
@liaizon "How can someone who doesn't know how to use EMAIL possibly know how to use SETTING UP A BOOTH?"
Because they are 100% different skills and being able to use random technical tools isn't some litmus test for basic competency.
@emsenn It seems like your trying to fight with me here. I was pointing out that seeing google as a middleman to participation in this event is disappointing. I love what CW is doing and we all make compromises. just seems antithetical to what we are trying to do. but I am also responding to your CAP locks so alas I guess we are on the internet.
@liaizon At this point, I'm criticizing your assumption that basic technical knowledge is required for event coordination, and that logging into a non-Gmail account does not require more knoweldge than logging into a Gmail account.
All sorts of very clever people don't know how to do things without computers beside what their phone's icons let them do, and that doesn't mean they aren't highly qualified for all sorts of other work.
@emsenn I agree there are different sets of knowledge. But this is a small set. The amount of work it would take to *teach* someone how to use a different domain to log into a different hosted email server is quite small.
@liaizon So who teaches them? Do we wait to start planning the event until every coordinator is comfortable with a new email client?
Or do you just use a tool that works because the whole thing you're trying to do is to get off that sort of tool ANYWAY so tinking about with them would be just exercising a sunk costs fallacy for the sake of apperances?
@liaizon I self host my own email with my own very custom setup. I thought about running it through my mail hosting, but realized I wouldn't be able to get something up that would be usable by people who aren't me in a feasible time.
@cwebber How on Earth is there no HTML version of that "flyer", when it's a conf about a Web protocol?
@raucao You're welcome to open the ODT of the flier from my blogpost (which itself is HTML) and export to HTML :)
See also coordinating with volunteers on extremely limited resources https://octodon.social/@cwebber/102485994129690548
Do you think it's *highly likely* that you will make it? You could pre-emptively register and cancel if you can't make it, but that does block a slot for someone else if it turns out you can't go.
@tuttle instead of doing this all over again how about we just jump to https://octodon.social/@cwebber/102485994129690548
@cwebber Hello, I respect your choice of using a Gmail address, but as I’m trying to make my union switch to something else (self-hosted Magma, maybe?) I’m interested in how Gmail helps coordinating with limited resources.
I can totally live without an answer though. Thanks, any way!
@guillemot It only helps in the sense that we went from no idea if we had a venue to "we have it and we have a couple of days to set up the entire structure for this conference or we can't do it". All this while I was madly trying to get out the OcapPub stuff. (Remember: *I'm not coordinating.*)
I self-host email but couldn't get a setup for others to coordinate on in that amount of time. Someone volunteered to set up a gmail account, I said great, thank you for taking the lead.
@guillemot If someone hadn't stepped up to do that as the coordination mechanism right then, we would have canceled the conference. Sounds like some people think that would have been better. I'll admit, it's very disheartening, especially for the people volunteering, and especially because we're self-funding this gathering.
Someone pointed out we could have used RiseUp. That's a good idea; if we had thought about it, I would have enthusiastically endorsed that. But we didn't.
@guillemot (I should clarify, that funding isn't all coming from me either; some other volunteers are throwing in resources. But it's all voluntary support to pull this thing together.)
If you can use another hand onsite please let me know, I can arrive a day or before the conference.
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