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it frustrates me that I believe that the way we're handling identity and social relationships on the current iteration of the fediverse is Very Wrong, but it's just a lot of talk from me until I can demo with real code I guess

I hope we don't get locked into dangerous antipatterns before it's too late to shift the direction of the network

I should be clear, the reason current popular rollouts of activitypub are doing imo identity wrong is *not the fault* of the people building it, in the sense that they are building activitypub based on what's currently well understood patterns for developing things. So I get why it's happened.

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

identity, how we can do better, oh wait I forgot something 

identity, how we can do better, oh wait I forgot something 

@cwebber you mean we’re lacking something like Keybase? Where we use crypto keys to verify our online accounts?

@ilovecomputers @cwebber Keybase is only one side of the missing pieces. The fact that we have to sign up and remember passwords and details for every instance we want accounts on is sort of a huge stumbling block.

@wakest @cwebber yeah. I’ve been using 1Password to make this less of a headache for me, but most don’t have such software. We need to bring in something like openid

@cwebber thats a big deal coming from you. Though I agree. I think we really really need some uncoupling of identity and content. That was the big dream of OpenID but then google/facebook/etc killed that dream with their branded login buttons everywhere.

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

identities in tech 

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

@cwebber so sounds like you should be super on board with what SSB is doing

identity, how we can do better, oh wait I forgot something 

identity, how we can do better, oh wait I forgot something 

identity, how we can do better, oh wait I forgot something 

identity, how we can do better, oh wait I forgot something 

identity, how we can do better, oh wait I forgot something 

identity, how we can do better, oh wait I forgot something 

identity, how we can do better, oh wait I forgot something 

identity, how we can do better, oh wait I forgot something 

identity, how we can do better, oh wait I forgot something 

identity, how we can do better, oh wait I forgot something 

identity, how we can do better, oh wait I forgot something 

@cwebber

> how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better

build a better, more friendly, and secure system that people want to use more that "current fedi" if you can't win, then your ideas don't mean much, do they?

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

@cwebber we could throw out IP addresses, DNS, the TLS CA system, DHCP... and things would work *better*

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

@cwebber I'm not complaining about the metaphor, I'm complaining about the lofty level of abstraction at which the metaphor rests. saying "petnames work like address books" obscures a huge gulf of design and detail that has only begun to be hashed out, in a way that saying "ActivityPub works like mailing lists" or "mastodon is like twitter" doesn't.

@nightpool Well, that's true for a full petname system, I agree, because it also includes edge names and intro names. For the petnames themselves, it pretty much is a contact list / bookmarks.

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

distributed identity 

distributed identity 

distributed identity 

distributed identity 

how the current fediverse does identity wrong, how we can do better 

@cwebber I've read a bit of what you've written, but maybe not enough to get the substance of what you think is wrong. Can you explain the problem to me?

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