@rysiek @gargron That's true, though it isn't what I was talking about. Patreon shut this down because of pressure from the *payment processor* IIUC. If we really want to fix this stuff we need to not be so reliant on tools like Paypal, Stripe, etc. That's also a large portion of why people end up centralizing their shopping on Amazon instead of using smaller shops: at least you can "trust" that your payment with Amazon is "probably secure".

The whole modern payment system sucks.