Pretty sure there's some kid out there thinking that folks who use websites are old, and I'm here to tell you that you're not even allowed to say "I am ancient on the internet" unless you have used telnet before the invention of SSH.
@craigmaloney How many points do I get if the dialup dumped you straight into Lynx and had to use Kermit to transfer files?
<taps forehead to point out massive brain> Can't tcpdump serial links.
Also, elm > pine.
@mwlucas That's what the RS232 tester is for. 😁
And elm was decent, but I was trying to date myself. 😉 I use mutt now.
@craigmaloney I’ll use mutt when I can connect to outlook 360. So I have to use thunderbird with owl plugin. Which works great.
@Nixfreak Yes, I run DavMail on my machine, which connects to the Outlook 365 server via the Exchange protocol (and proxies auth for SSO, etc.), then I use mutt to connect to DavMail on localhost. I use it for receiving (but not sending) mail, and for fetching caldav calendars from the server.
@Nixfreak Yes. It might have been the first open mail client to do so, for all I know -- certainly it has for as long as I remember.
My employer issues S/MIME certs, so I am currently using S/MIME for the account w/ davmail. I've been PGP-signing emails for probably 20+ years, though.
@firstname.lastname@example.org Not merely shell access with Pine, I used Gopher. I did searches with Veronica. When I first used the web it was via a text console browser and the menu the ISP first showed when you signed in listed it as, "World Wide Web, experimental, similar to Gopher".
Oh, and the ISP I had was the one the Green Card Lottery spammers used (or did until roughly 12 hours later when the admins kicked them off and sent an apology email to everyone else for not kicking them faster)
What is this newfangled "Pine" thing? I had to use Elm. And I liked it. Because I couldn't be bothered to learn anything else while Elm still worked.
I got my first Unix account in either 1990 or 1991 and elm was the default that they taught us in the 'into to Unix' tutorial. They went with Pine the following year or so because (IIRC) elm was abandoned and insufficiently free for letting others take over its maintenance.
I kept using it out of inertia and it worked fine during most of my university career. By the time I had to switch, mutt had become a thing and the switch was mostly painless.
I still use mutt today, TBH.
@craigmaloney Telnet? Whippersnappers!
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Also ran my own BBS on an Atari 8bit machine (Oasis and then BBS Express Pro)
@craigmaloney My first modem was the Atari acoustic coupler & 850 box, but I moved to a Hayes-compatible ASAP.
Both my BBS were on ST, The Dungeon (Starnet on floppy) & then The Caves of Steel (Fnordadel on HDD, MiNT Unix-like).
@craigmaloney Woohoo! I missed this one by a year. Guess Iʼm just garden-variety old on the internet.
@craigmaloney still mad there isn't a terminal program out there with sz built in tbh. I want to type rz at the far end of a few ssh hops and send something over all the time.
damn, that’s earlier than I thought
think the first time I used telnet would’ve been 1997 or 1998, so I am not ancient on the internet :(
TERMINATE.EXE so I could call a BBS from which I could telnet to a Slackware server and... yeah, pine was one of the programs I used.
@craigmaloney Is there a bonus for remembering how, once ssh did appear, you dreaded losing your connection to a Sun IPC because it was going to take so long to open it back up?
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