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facebook, serious talk 

At some point your Facebook account will go away.

Whether that's from running afoul of one of their algorithms or because you delete it, or because the company and its servers disappear: your Facebook account will disappear at some point.

It's up to you to determine how you handle that.

Do you be proactive and make contacts with people on other platforms, or do you treat those connections as ephemeral. I can't make that choice for you. Both are completely valid.

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facebook, serious talk 

Thing is you'll have to decide. It's not a question of "if". We saw today how folks reacted when Facebook went down for hours at a time. You got a glimpse of what that future will look like.

It's now up to you on how you use this data.

You've been given a gift; a gift of seeing how you react to Facebook being out of you life. The question is how you engage with that gift. Only you can decide that for yourself.

Whatever you decide I hope it's the right choice for you.

facebook, serious talk 

@craigmaloney

Time will tell what happens next, how people react to not only facebook, insta and whatsapp going down but all the related revelations and if this (or what) will change attitudes or feelings.

Perhaps the twitch data leak will add to this as it shows just how much data these companies hold on people..

facebook, serious talk 

@craigmaloney

In my case, this is theoretical but I'm having a lot of trouble finding practical information on how to replace FB. As in, "Here's what you can use instead of FB to run events/contacts/groups/IM/etc." It's all "hashtag delete facebook" and maybe "use this other social network instead." Nothing about solving the actual problems leaving FB would cause you.

Really, someone needs to put up a guide to weaning yourself off it in a way that won't lose you the benefits.

facebook, serious talk 

@craigmaloney

Also: we need to acknowledge that some people can't quit the arsebook without significant quality of life reduction. However, they can often move *some* of their activity off of it and so we should perhaps find ways of helping them do that and to do the necessary FB stuff in a safe and healthy way.

E.g. if you use FB to stay in touch with family, switch to using it *only* for that and offload everything else.

facebook, serious talk 

@suetanvil I don't have answers, but you bring up valid points.

And much like most difficult decisions with no clear and easy answers, the more we wait to make difficult choices the worse it gets.

Getting folks to sacrifice comfort is difficult. Getting folks to sacrifice comfort for discomfort might as well be impossible.

facebook, serious talk 

@craigmaloney

The thing is, most of the stuff FB offers is available elsewhere and it's not *that* hard to move away. The discomfort is momentary while you learn the alternatives.

The main issue is network effects. If your friend group isn't willing to leave, you're kind of stuck. At the same time though, if you can move *some* of your friend groups off FB, you're still cutting their revenue and protecting your sanity.

facebook, serious talk 

@suetanvil @craigmaloney

we really need to do better acknowledging that some of the 'discomfort' of dumping them is straight-up withdrawal.

as in, the algorithms are *optimized* to addict one to "engagement".

Not even metaphorically.

facebook, serious talk 

@craigmaloney

I'm going to throw out the suggestion that someone start a wiki for collection FB exit/management strategies. I'd do it but I absolutely lack the sustained focus for this kind of thing. I may submit some edits though.

But the world really needs that kind of resource.

(BTW, Miraheze is a non-profit that offers MediaWiki hosting.)

facebook, serious talk 

@suetanvil @craigmaloney im absolutely loving this thread and these ideas, you two. its so nice to see friendly discussions like this.

ill keep an eye on your discussions because i hope i can figure something out to host alternatives for my band's facebook messenger group messages, their band page, and their private group for async discussions

got a small $5 digitalocean dropley but might be able to pull something off if i have time

facebook, serious talk 

@suetanvil @craigmaloney i guess Facebook events too, for shows, where something like mobilizon would be handy

facebook, serious talk 

@m455 @suetanvil @craigmaloney Well, if the question is hosting a wiki, I can help. It might not be MediaWiki, but it’ll be a first step.

facebook, serious talk 

@m455 @craigmaloney

Free wiki hosting is available (e.g. miraheze.org/ although I know very little about them beyond what it says on their website). The main issue is the whole community management thing. And I guess figuring out how to organize the information.

facebook, serious talk 

@m455 @craigmaloney

Wrt. the band, you’d probably benefit from getting your own domain for it and slapping it on all of your promotional material. Then you can point out at whatever hosting and email works best for you at the time.

The low-effort approach would be to use it for contact email and host a single-page website that points to the band’s other online presences (eg bandcamp, youtube, arsebook, etc.)

facebook, serious talk 

@suetanvil @craigmaloney yeah I'd definitely want to do that. at this point our internal communications are the big problem ive been wondering about, like instant and async communications between band members and sharing audio files

facebook, serious talk 

@suetanvil @craigmaloney though, i think main issue would be that people just wouldnt want to move chat and async communications platforms (messengers and groups)
now that i think of it lol. they'd def be fine with a website and domain and all

facebook, Fediverse, serious talk 

@craigmaloney I like the Fediverse in that every aspect of it is essentially ephemeral. It accepts information, connections and even every instance as transient. Like the ship of Theseus: instances come and go, the network stays. Your presence on the network is as ephemeral as you want it to be, sure (you totally can help a failing server with, for example, funding), but from the get go you are prepared that it will eventually disappear.

re: facebook, Fediverse, serious talk 

@drq @craigmaloney +1 here.

There is a popular myth that Internet never forgets, i.e. your data never gets deleted.
Well, maybe it isn't get deleted by request but information does randomly disappear.

re: facebook, Fediverse, serious talk 

@a1ba Yeah. If internet never forgets, then where does the concept of "bit rot" come from? Aside from storage media decay, some places or files are not accessible anymore because the Internet moved on, essentially, and there's nothing to read them with.

@craigmaloney

facebook, serious talk 

@craigmaloney

I'd like to put in a good word for "back up stuff you care about that's hosted on cloud services".

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