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patreon layoffs 

protocol.com/bulletins/patreon

Seeing the writing on the wall for Patreon. Apparently they laid off a lot of the folks that worked on their software, and took on a lot of debt from VCs. If you're a creator on Patreon I suggest you start looking into alternatives. Things are about to get really strained in the creator space.

patreon layoffs 

(I was hoping to find another article discussing this, but my searching didn't find anything. If someone has a corroborating article please let me know)

patreon layoffs 

@craigmaloney The video has more youtube.com/watch?v=MV-3GgU6rl

Patreon just raised $155M, so they will be around awhile. Whether it'll be the right platform for creators in the long-haul is yet to be seen. With that much VC money, it's going to have to be a money-machine which may or may not be what's best for the creators they currently serve.

patreon layoffs 

@acegopher That's the troubling part; they've been a layoff-machine since 2020, and with a valuation of 4 billion they're going to have to do things that aren't going to be in the best interests of creators. They've basically sold out their community and turned their creative acts into investment capital (which one could argue they've done all along, but it's way more visible with this latest transaction).

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@craigmaloney if a company has to flip a huge percentage of its staff every year because they want to move in a different direction that requires different skills and experience then they're pretty much standing in one place and spinning while they throw off money.

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@djsundog @craigmaloney

what was that game that's kinda like a relay race?

one person from each team rruns to a baseball bat, spins around and gets really dizzy before dropping the bat and running to tag the next person in on the team.

that game.

that's the business model and the org structure.

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@craigmaloney Alternatives we know of: Ko-Fi, Ghost (blog platform, has a way to run your own sub service via stripe), commiss.io

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@systemroot @craigmaloney SubscribeStar (SFW and NSFW creators, API) and OnlyFans is out there too.

patreon layoffs 

@craigmaloney *raises hand* The alternative I really like is Gumroad. My Patreon is basically just there for subscriber convenience. Still, when Patreon craters it won’t be pretty…

patreon layoffs 

@craigmaloney It doesn't necessarilly mean they are doing badly though.

Taking on debt could also mean investment. And laying off people might be restructurizations due to that.

It's hard to know though.

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@craigmaloney I have never understood how Patreon has so much weight with a shoddy service - There aren't even network effects keeping people there, since accepting payments on another platform doesn't seem to hamper your chances that much.

Patreon's UX is absolutely horrible, as well: I get routine lagspikes scrolling down a creator's page on Firefox with a Ryzen 5950X! How?

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@videogame_hacker @craigmaloney because it’s not quality, but being known. Which comes from being the first who managed to actually funnel money to many creators.

patreon layoffs 

@craigmaloney When I found out how much VC money they were getting, I figured it would only be a matter of time before they go belly up. I guess places like LibrePay will have a lot more users soon.

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@craigmaloney seems like a good time to remind people of the comradery.co/ project. It's still (😢) not fully open but good to keep on your radar

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@craigmaloney I’d personally recommend Ko-Fi ;)

It’s more for just donating so don’t know how you’d do exclusive content and stuff though.

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@craigmaloney I don't think there is any writing on the wall. Their software is stable and pretty feature complete as far as the majority of their customers are concerned. You don't need the same amount of developers to maintain than you need to build and scale. I think this is a simple business decision to increase their profit margin.

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@egret @craigmaloney You need the old people to keep the software working. Once the people who wrote it are gone, maintenance of any program becomes much more expensive, because the others do not know where to start looking.

patreon layoffs 

@ArneBab @craigmaloney big brain moment right there

patreon layoffs 

@craigmaloney Never Trust A Platform Not To Sell You Out.

patreon layoffs 

@craigmaloney @mood ick. i dont like patreon, never have. it’s always given me the heebies…

patreon layoffs 

@craigmaloney they have a fairly complete product, but they don't assume it's steady state, instead of taking on more stakeholders that are nothing like the users. (users might grow suspicious)

Also 30 people was 13%, they've got too many employees, to my taste.... Don't want corporate bullshit, want a site with some basic features and ability to deal with issues and legal defenses that might be necessary.

An alternative, i am using right now(aswel) is liberapay.com/

patreon layoffs 

@craigmaloney like perhaps liberapay would be better if it added stuff like payers-only posts, not sure..

patreon layoffs 

@craigmaloney

Look at what happened to Naomi Wu

twitter.com/realsexycyborg

She was outed by Vice magazine, and when she argued back, Vice spoke to friends at Patreon, and she was barred from Patreon.

No reasons given, and no appeal.

I didn't like that platform, and that was before i heard about the %-age of VC money.

As @be said, "Never trust any company that takes venture capital."

They've already made one bad business decision, so you know that they will make more. :D

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@craigmaloney Ten thousand podcasts fall silent.
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