Things I did not need to realize:
We are closer to the 2038 bug than the Y2K bug.
@craigmaloney why is there a 2038 bug??!!
@operand @craigmaloney This is interesting: "The C programming language allows for aggressive compiler optimization: a program can operate differently or even have a different control flow than the source code, as long as it exhibits the same user-visible side-effects, if undefined behavior never happens during program execution."
@micrackbiron @craigmaloney Well, it seems weird, but it makes sense. A program is, after all, an expression in some formal language. The modern need for speed has changed that formal language from one which describes what a computer does to one that describes the result one wants in a roundabout way.
Undefined behavior just makes this more "fun". There's an immense amount of writing on all the weird shit that UB does in C and C++ and I'm sure there are people here that are more experienced in it than I am.
Say that you use a 32-bit *unsigned* integer instead. For unsigned integers, putting in a value larger than its maximum value is well-defined: the value is simply taken modulo 2^32, so adding one to the maximum value results in 0. Your program is probably still broken if that integer was measuring time, even though there isn't any undefined behavior.
The fact that signed integer rollover is undefined simply makes the problem a little worse than it would otherwise be.
@craigmaloney I saw an article today about how the Y2K bug wasn't that big a deal because Y2K came and nothing happened so we shouldn't have worried about it, and I just wanted to bang my head against the table.
@noelle Yeah, there was a post about that which got me thinking about it.
I mean, I didn't feel any of the effects of any of the "conflicts" the USA has been involved with. Doesn't mean they didn't affect others, or that folks risked a lot so I didn't notice.
@craigmaloney aww crap
time to update all the unix systems
@craigmaloney oh no
@craigmaloney I wonder how much we're still using that has a 32-bit time_t.
@zorinlynx @craigmaloney There's work to go through the Linux kernel and make sure it's 2038 clean. See https://www.linaro.org/events/the-end-of-time-19-years-to-go/
@craigmaloney its gonna be a fun night
@craigmaloney I think it's worth remembering that in the middle to late 1990s, a large chunk of our industry still mouthed belief that 32 bits afforded a lots of space for any thinkable activity.
@pitrh compared with 8 and 16 bits it was indeed unfathomable. I'm sure we'll hit the point where 64 bits will seem constraining. 😁
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