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do a handful of stuff also contain no stuff? is the no stuff also there, underneath?

@cat_abyss hmm. A handful of stuff can be divided into different sets of stuff, so a handful could be a superset, which means yes it can contain the empty set. (Where the empty set, by definition, has no stuff in it and so is 'the no stuff', as you say.)

@Vanessa so... everything is part nothing?

@cat_abyss oh! Wait. You said 'part' not 'part of'. My bad. Yes. I'd say everything is part nothing. Or at least that it always has the possibility of finding emptiness when arranged/viewed the right way.

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@Vanessa well! some comfort in that maybe. it suggests a whole of something more than its parts, even if that something is nothing.