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do a handful of stuff also contain no stuff? is the no stuff also there, underneath?

@cat_abyss hmm. A handful of stuff can be divided into different sets of stuff, so a handful could be a superset, which means yes it can contain the empty set. (Where the empty set, by definition, has no stuff in it and so is 'the no stuff', as you say.)

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@Vanessa so... everything is part nothing?

@cat_abyss it's more the other way around: that nothingness is part of everything.

@cat_abyss oh! Wait. You said 'part' not 'part of'. My bad. Yes. I'd say everything is part nothing. Or at least that it always has the possibility of finding emptiness when arranged/viewed the right way.

@Vanessa well! some comfort in that maybe. it suggests a whole of something more than its parts, even if that something is nothing.

@cat_abyss but this is really just me being a mathematician and thinking about things in terms of set theory. Although I like the idea of it. Or perhaps it is more that I like how it sounds and what it evokes in words. I like when mathematics sounds a bit like philosophy or poetry.

@Vanessa me too, if math is what it is! the question is probably of such a nature, i think... even if it's abstract, it's nice to believe it.